Funniest snake oil theories

[tombo56]

Also IIRC you described hearing for yourself a few reproduction systems where it didn't sound like the music was coming from the speakers. Again IIRC, you said you don't know how they do it. If my recollection is correct, then maybe you were sure something like that was 'impossible' until you heard it yourself.

Lot of funny assumptions. Not experiencing something is not equal to believing something is not possible.
BTW, I’m confused as why is mandatory property of a good audio system (absolute disappearance of loudspeakers) discussed as something special?

 

[bohrok2610]

Audio can be properly judged only by trained ear.

That's rude. You know perfectly well that any trained ear is not sufficient. It requires a particular pair of ears

 

[billshurv]

Went over the dCS forum to see what they had to say about switches: https://dcs.community/t/ethernet-switch/3450/3

It appears that a number of people report audible effects from switches that they don't think has anything to do with the ones and zeros getting though. They speculate about some kind of noise problem that affects imaging, etc. IME clock jitter can have that effect.

exactly they speculate to justify spending more on a pointless device than my last car cost me.

Also, Iancanada makes some FIFO buffers for diy'ers. Measurements by a former member were posted along with a belief expressed that isolation between the buffer input and output, and or across the digital input galvanic isolation barrier, were not 100% effective. In response to that Ian designed a secondary reclocker board to remove any remaining jitter before sending the digital audio to the dac. Reports from users indicate the additional clean reclocking after the FIFO buffer improves aspects of SQ such as imaging. Impossible? I don't think so.

Not ethernet. That's like saying lighter wheels make my road bike go faster so lighter cables will make my speakers sound faster.

Changing the subject for a moment, what if the Nordost switches do change reproduced audio for the better, as users claim? Impossible? Not really. What if Nordost really are villains and crooks? What if they doctor the audio stream to make it slightly louder, and or more dynamic (slow attack, fast release dynamics compression)? Impossible?

Impossible for a layer 2 device. They work at the MAC level as I said.

Still not willing to grant its impossible for there to be audible changes in the sound with or without a particular switch.

Impossible for the packets to make a difference.

Bill, IIRC you have described yourself as a space junkie. Also IIRC you described hearing for yourself a few reproduction systems where it didn't sound like the music was coming from the speakers. Again IIRC, you said you don't know how they do it. If my recollection is correct, then maybe you were sure something like that was 'impossible' until you heard it yourself. All of a sudden its real, even if you don't know how it works.

Nope never said that. I said the Wilson demo was amazingly good, till I realised Dave Wilson was telling us what to hear.

Within what tolerance? fs, ps, ns, us?

How much is too much jitter in a dac clock for optimal imaging of DSD content?

The switch doesn't affect that. It's not SPDIF.

 

[HalFoster]

While this started out somewhat entertaining, and at least on topic for the thread, it really is getting old... Markw4, you are very much flogging a dead horse on this topic and have been for quite a number of posts (as well those of an opposing viewpoint that just keep )

Can we not get back on target and find another silly example to ridicule?

Hal

 

[Richard Ellis]

"Audio systems can be properly judged only by (a) trained ear." What nonsense, "human perception system(s) are rife with always of getting it wrong." Neil DeGrasse Tyson. ."...we have high opinions of our human biology when in fact we should not."





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[billshurv]

BTW, I’m confused as why is mandatory property of a good audio system (absolute disappearance of loudspeakers) discussed as something special?

Actually the original point I made was the first time I heard a soundstage where the main source 'appeared' to be outside the room and about 40ft away.

 

[tombo56]

"Audio systems can be properly judged only by (a) trained ear." What nonsense, "human perception system(s) are rife with always of getting it wrong." Neil DeGrasse Tyson. ."...we have high opinions of our human biology when in fact we should not."
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Sarcasm is lost on you?

BTW, post #15,560

 

[tombo56]

Actually the original point I made was the first time I heard a soundstage where the main source 'appeared' to be outside the room and about 40ft away.

If all of the stage ‘content’ was presented that far, then it was really something special. My stage is usually 3 -5 m behind loudspeakers (outside the room). Some recordings have some content that is clearly heard as being more than 10 - 15 m behind.

 

[MatijaSever]

not the case here.

I agree with the rest of what you said. I personally find many if not all non audio-oriented EEs very close minded when it comes to audio. I don't even get into discussions with them because of that. one man can only take "I'll show you the schematic of the perfect amp" so many times.
IMO it's pretty obvious why there aren't many good audio engineers: they would have to be good EEs with an open mind and at the same time critical enough of voodoo. I don't believe these conditions are often met at the same time.

it's even better to distance oneself from them. even hate them secretly. so A shuts down his mind. or reverses whatever B says. whatever B says, the opposite must be true.

 

[Richard Ellis]

"We've all bought and enjoyed (those) books called optical illusions...they should call them brain failures...all it takes is a few sketches cleverly done (and) your brain can't figure it out."






---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Rick...

 

[billshurv]

If all of the stage ‘content’ was presented that far, then it was really something special.

It was a film sountrack recording done with the microphone at the door of a cathedral with the choir at the other end. No one records things like that normally. And we were primed to expect this which probably doubled the stage depth

My stage is usually 3 -5 m behind loudspeakers (outside the room). Some recordings have some content that is clearly heard as being more than 10 - 15 m behind.

In the right room my mini apogees will do that. Not sadly in my current one...

 

[Ultima Thule]

It requires a particular pair of ears..

..and a healthy portion of paranoia to fill in the reminding blanks.

 

[Jim the Oldbie]

I've finally (mostly) conditioned myself to stop reading whenever I see something like, "A number of people heard an audible difference..."

Here we go 'round again. Good lord...

(Now playing: Todd Rundgren, "The Night the Carousel Burned Down")

 

[ariendj]

I've finally (mostly) conditioned myself to stop reading whenever I see something like, "A number of people heard an audible difference..."

Same here. I also stop reading when people feel the need to list the make and model of every piece of wire they use. Saves me a lot of time

Audiophile mains outlet? Opinion discarded.

 

[chienmort]

Ohhh, I got a good one fer ya.

I once read that you have to regularly subject cables to DC...you know, to replace the old electrons, with fresh ones...

Do you keep your fresh electrons in the refrigerator?

 

[ariendj]

Do you keep your fresh electrons in the refrigerator?

I get mine from the farmer's market.

 

[bucks bunny]

I get mine from the farmer's market.

Bio dynamical electrons are your choirce!

 

[DontHertzMe]

Free-range organic artisanal electrons!

 

[HalFoster]

No need to go to all that trouble for stale and stuck electrons... just reverse the wires so they vibrate in the opposite direction and they'll shake loose.

 

[HalFoster]

Of course, it is important to buy the oxygen free and broken in cables... they have the rough edges of the copper atoms worn down so the electrons stick less to begin with...