Thanks Chris! Do you feel they are more refined (with the 10.3) than the Super Pensils, specifically the ones with the original Alpair12? When I'm just listening to music its usually jazz, classic rock (not generally at loud levels), Dave Matthews, folk, African ... all those types of music. Generally no electronic or pop/rap/etc.
IINM, the original A12 was actually a metal cone, which I can't recall hearing in enclosures other than a trapezoid stand mounter? - Dave can correct my recollection there - but as to what I think your question is, I simply prefer the overall sonics of the A10.3 to A12P . The former I've heard in numerous enclosures, the latter in the SuperPensils, and maybe one other?
While the FHXL delivers "the best" performance I've personally heard from the A10.3, I don't have the requisite floor space for them, and am actually presently using running a pair in Pensils.
While the FHXL delivers "the best" performance I've personally heard from the A10.3, I don't have the requisite floor space for them, and am actually presently using running a pair in Pensils.
Many FHXL have been built with A10.3, A10p, P11, FF165wk and more. The A10x do give better refinement, and in FHXL go lower than A12p, and with the horn load should get close to moving as much air.
dave
IIRC you had them in a Mar-Ken12?
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/plan...en-fonken-gallery-pictures-2.html#post3067768
Found this too:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/plan...nken-fonken-gallery-pictures.html#post3067761
But no big floor-stander?
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This is exactly what I was looking for, better refinement in the 10.3 while still having good bass response close to or better than the SuperPensil12's. These will have to pull double duty as my SuperPensil12's did for both 2-Channel and light home theater. My daughter goes off to college in a year and I'm turning the basement back into a dedicated theater at that point and the FHXL would be primarily 2-channel with light TV use as well. I would probably do a dedicated center channel to match them as well. The Mar-Ken12 Centre we did to match the SuperPensil's was good although a tad boxy sounding which could have been the stuffing I did, I never adjusted it once the driver was installed...
Scott
Yep, those are the two. Bernie built fir versions of the 1st, they were modified to support EL70eN (which both Bernie & i preferred.
miniOnken/Fonken gallery pictures only
Similarily the Mar-Ken prototype for the A12p ended up with A10PeN which sounded better, the A12p wants a big box, i would recommend Pensil or SuperPensil.
dave
miniOnken/Fonken gallery pictures only
Similarily the Mar-Ken prototype for the A12p ended up with A10PeN which sounded better, the A12p wants a big box, i would recommend Pensil or SuperPensil.
dave
skeeter99,
Good to see you back at the forums.
You might read up on the new Alpair 11MS driver - not available yet, but should be some time in the next few moths. Slightly bigger than the Alpair 10.3, spider-less design, shallow cone. IIRC Dave mentioned that it will work in the FH-XL cabinet also.
Good to see you back at the forums.
You might read up on the new Alpair 11MS driver - not available yet, but should be some time in the next few moths. Slightly bigger than the Alpair 10.3, spider-less design, shallow cone. IIRC Dave mentioned that it will work in the FH-XL cabinet also.
Yeah, I thought I remembered those - for my money the A7's more finely grained resolution and extended high frequency performance were an easy trade off to make . While no doubt competent enough larger designs for the A12, at the time I was more infatuated with the smaller driver, and am frankly still of the same opinion vis a vis of the new A12P .Now the A12PW mid-woofer is a great piece, but a bit pricey - but what am I saying - it's been years since I paid for a driver with other than sweat equity.
skeeter99,
Good to see you back at the forums.
You might read up on the new Alpair 11MS driver - not available yet, but should be some time in the next few moths. Slightly bigger than the Alpair 10.3, spider-less design, shallow cone. IIRC Dave mentioned that it will work in the FH-XL cabinet also.
Thanks! I just picked up a table saw so figured I should get back into things after a few year hiatus
I saw mention of those drivers and pulled up the YouTube video of Mark talking about them but I haven't been able to watch it QUITE yet! Without having a spider I'd be a bit worried about power handling capabilities VS the 10.3. While I don't crank it SUPER loud all the time, I do like it loud from time to time ... Stuff to think about and consider for sure!
Scott
Fostex to Alpair conversion follow-up
In the meantime, I received the Alpair drivers from Dave and hd some time this morning to switch things around.
Pretty happy with how it’s turned out. My initial listening impressions:
- shouty mids are gone
- much warmer sound overall
- improved low end
- not as loud with my SE tube amp, but still plenty
- a little reduced soundstage/airy-ness (all technica terms)
More listening needed. I may try my KT-66 amp and see what happens, too.
Cheers!!!
In the meantime, I received the Alpair drivers from Dave and hd some time this morning to switch things around.
Pretty happy with how it’s turned out. My initial listening impressions:
- shouty mids are gone
- much warmer sound overall
- improved low end
- not as loud with my SE tube amp, but still plenty
- a little reduced soundstage/airy-ness (all technica terms)
More listening needed. I may try my KT-66 amp and see what happens, too.
Cheers!!!
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Hi
I'm looking vor a small blh for my office.
I really like the 3fe25 for it's dynamic and rather neutral charakter
and especially because it's not as beamy as 95 % of the
Fullrangers out there.
My question is, would it work well in the frugle horn and has anybuddy
ever tried a crossoverless double driver configuration?
My gutt feeling say's it might work well, but I'm not sure what size of
the different frugle versions might work best?
Any thougts or objections are welcome.
Klaus
I'm looking vor a small blh for my office.
I really like the 3fe25 for it's dynamic and rather neutral charakter
and especially because it's not as beamy as 95 % of the
Fullrangers out there.
My question is, would it work well in the frugle horn and has anybuddy
ever tried a crossoverless double driver configuration?
My gutt feeling say's it might work well, but I'm not sure what size of
the different frugle versions might work best?
Any thougts or objections are welcome.
Klaus
The 3FE25 (and all the other 3Fxx) work in the Frugel-Horn Lite.
Frugel-Horn Lite for 3" drivers
dave
Frugel-Horn Lite for 3" drivers
dave
