Ironically, here's a guy selling PCBs and parts.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/group-buys/166140-lm3886-boards.html#post2172501
surpricing to see how the GB ended, with no response to fair questions
Hi viki_v2,
Give them away, that's what I do.
Where's your "DIY, helping others" spirit.
You can't have it both ways.
regards
i did not ask for any group buy.
if you ever go through some Indian forums, you will know how it is to get even some good quality copper boards. there are constant queries if Someone knows any pcb manufacturer who could provide small quantity of professional made pcbs. I managed to find one manufacturer who agreed to help our cause and i posted them.
good quality components are not available easily, I have to travel 60kms for getting them.And most of diyers here do not have access to quality components.
If i say i can help them in getting good components what personal selfishness am i doing.
if you ever go through some Indian forums, you will know how it is to get even some good quality copper boards. there are constant queries if Someone knows any pcb manufacturer who could provide small quantity of professional made pcbs. I managed to find one manufacturer who agreed to help our cause and i posted them.
good quality components are not available easily, I have to travel 60kms for getting them.And most of diyers here do not have access to quality components.
If i say i can help them in getting good components what personal selfishness am i doing.
We are into the internet generation where people thinks that if they have a question, they just post it on some website, and someone in cyberspace will automatically search all relevant information, sort them out according to relevance, and present the well sorted out answer right in front of the screen, in split second.
Books, library, literature search ? What the hell is that ? How old fashioned.
Well, welcome back to the real world. How sad !!
Patrick
Books, library, literature search ? What the hell is that ? How old fashioned.
Well, welcome back to the real world. How sad !!
Patrick
very nice greg
lets see if you can give some thing for free.
i am not a rich man.
I can help people in getting resources as i live 60 kms from bombay, and i travel there once or twice in a month.For diyers here acess to such places is not allways feasible. many rely on friends and relatives to do it for them.
lets see if you can give some thing for free.
i am not a rich man.
I can help people in getting resources as i live 60 kms from bombay, and i travel there once or twice in a month.For diyers here acess to such places is not allways feasible. many rely on friends and relatives to do it for them.
It seems the old ways of asking friendly advice no longer implies today.
It seems better to search as much as you can, and never ask any one even if you don't find the answer.
teachers teach students, But now the student has to fetch both the question and the answer, Because the great knowledgeable teacher feels very embarrassed if a question asked is not of their caliber.
I am extremely sorry for posting such a thread, and making my self feel guilty for disturbing so many peoples conscience.
To bye with this thread now.
No more questions asked, no more answers expected.
It seems better to search as much as you can, and never ask any one even if you don't find the answer.
teachers teach students, But now the student has to fetch both the question and the answer, Because the great knowledgeable teacher feels very embarrassed if a question asked is not of their caliber.
I am extremely sorry for posting such a thread, and making my self feel guilty for disturbing so many peoples conscience.
To bye with this thread now.
No more questions asked, no more answers expected.
Hi viki_v2,
I think you are missing my point.
You are the one who started this thread complaining about Group Buys, people using DIYAudio for selling (as well as other things) yet you have a group buy for PCBs and parts. See you are part of your "perceived" problem.
I am sure you are helping people, I hope you continue to do that. Just let others do the same by offering kits or PCBs as they see fit.
BTW: Here's a link to full instructions for building a DIY amp from scratch. A good learning exercise.
B-AKSA 55
Also, I thought Bombay changed it name decades ago.
Do the locals still call it that?regards
I think blog style seems to work better in this regard. Since all of the important information is easier to access.
I had an idea of having an ongoing live poll where people could vote for their favourite diy amp (or speaker etc) and a top 20 could be displayed on the home page which continuously updates as people continue to vote.
Maybe a weighted average voting system could be used eg number of votes divided by the age of the design in years to account for new designs that have not had much exposure
Anyway the idea was ignored
My thoughts exactly. I know nothing worse than trying to communicate with someone who does not seem to read or even consider the answers he's already been given. Only thing worse would be to have someone spam your PM mailbox with "demands" that you tend to their post right here and now (yes, that has happened). Sorry.... I don't do this for a living. I have a day job and other commitments. You'll have to wait patiently for your time slot.
~Tom
I have taught electrical engineering on senior level in college at a higher-ranking university in the US. I had a student who would always show up for my office hours to ask me to solve the homework problems for him. He would start with the first problem. "How do I solve this?". It was obvious that he hadn't even looked at the problem or done any work at all to attempt to solve it. He basically wanted me to set the problem up for him so he could punch it into a calculator and get the result. That's not the purpose of a college class. The purpose is to learn to set up the problem so you can solve it. This student really tested my patience...
I never felt any of his questions were beneath me. But it was immediately obvious to me that he did not try at all to solve the problem before consulting me. The fact that he didn't try was the root cause of the frustration.
Similarly, it can be frustrating when someone asks a question that could be answered by a quick google or wikipedia search. We're probably all guilty of that at some level, but some more so than others.
~Tom
You need to remove that bad immoral feeling, there is no porn here, no word (may be only few) with "*******" (password), and no people (as i see there is no) that only help if you buy their PCB.
May be you'll find no interest in one thread, but try to to find another may help.
You cannot force someone to share everything he has and always pleased you, but you may ask something for making your own. (You may always ask, but can't force someone to always answer, thats what i mean).
When I am still a student, I never buy any food from my given money as my other friends. I collect them and buy some components. You know, I like to buy these foods, than buying transistors to blow them.
Someday I have collecting enough money (its months to collect) to buy 2 pieces of 2SC1971. After that I have 3 in total. Then I am trying to make it push-pull configuration, then 2 of them dead instantly. That time I only a child (junior high school) that I am very easily sad. But after that, I blow another and another in another projects. It is feel a common situation after blow some.
Now, I always study any project enough before built, accident is now rarely.
May be you'll find no interest in one thread, but try to to find another may help.
You cannot force someone to share everything he has and always pleased you, but you may ask something for making your own. (You may always ask, but can't force someone to always answer, thats what i mean)
. When I am still a student, I never buy any food from my given money as my other friends. I collect them and buy some components. You know, I like to buy these foods, than buying transistors to blow them.
Someday I have collecting enough money (its months to collect) to buy 2 pieces of 2SC1971. After that I have 3 in total. Then I am trying to make it push-pull configuration, then 2 of them dead instantly. That time I only a child (junior high school) that I am very easily sad. But after that, I blow another and another in another projects. It is feel a common situation after blow some.
Now, I always study any project enough before built, accident is now rarely.
Yes, that is what "studying" means. A student is one who studies: you ask yourself a question, then find the answer. Someone told the questions and the answers is a pupil, not a student. Unfortunately, we now have children in school who are called 'students' by the media, while older children at university behave like pupils.
I think what the OP is feeling has been felt by many "newbies" on this forum. My perception is that the difficulty lies not in manufacturers holding on to proprietary information, but in the chasm in understanding between the rank newbies who are just getting started, and the sheer depth of knowledge of the sage masters and engineers on this forum. What I sense is a frustration on the part of the latter with the lack of basic knowledge of the former.
Funny to me that so many folks jumped on the "why the heck didn't you search" bandwagon when the OP's original point had nothing to do with search, but more with public-domain -vs- proprietary design. While I *do* get the frustration with newbie questions, guys, I find the condescending nature of some of these posts unwarranted and unnecessary. A large part of my job involves customer service, where you *do* get asked *the same* question over and over again. And I train my people to always smile no matter what and smile, be respectful, and answer that question, because after all, is it the person's fault (and how could they know) that you had five people before them ask that very same question?
If I didn't train my people as such, I would have no customer base, no return business. The difference here is this isn't a business, so there's no perceived need to increase the forum base--people can take it or leave it.
There are more specific enthusiasts forums all over the web, where there seems to be greater tolerance of the same old newbie question asked over and over again. Those forums, however, may not offer the depth of technical expertise as found here.
So, for my part, I've learned that when I have really basic questions (being a neophyte myself), I take those questions elsewhere, perhaps in a more specific application forum like Head-Fi or a Hobbyist site like AMB's forum. I'll come here when I have a much more highly technical query--and I'll have darned-well researched quite a bit before I've gotten to that point.
This site even bills itself as a "site for fanatics." Perhaps that's more to the point. Perhaps this community really isn't about getting people into the hobby--it's for those that are already established and are working through more developed issues. Or for manufacturers bouncing ideas off of each other. What I've noticed is awkwardly-worded, seemingly unsearched (although I must point out that search functions on many forums I've been to are severely lacking in usefulness), or broad "newbie-ish" questions fall rather flat here. Detailed, highly specific, scientifically-worded queries get lots of responses and lots of debate. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, just that folks with deep technical knowledge have much different expectations than those who are starting out in the hobby.
"death of diy?" If you take this forum by itself to be a recruiting tool for the hobby, I can see how you might feel that way.
But then, that's not what that particular forum seems to be for...
....or is it?
Funny to me that so many folks jumped on the "why the heck didn't you search" bandwagon when the OP's original point had nothing to do with search, but more with public-domain -vs- proprietary design. While I *do* get the frustration with newbie questions, guys, I find the condescending nature of some of these posts unwarranted and unnecessary. A large part of my job involves customer service, where you *do* get asked *the same* question over and over again. And I train my people to always smile no matter what and smile, be respectful, and answer that question, because after all, is it the person's fault (and how could they know) that you had five people before them ask that very same question?
If I didn't train my people as such, I would have no customer base, no return business. The difference here is this isn't a business, so there's no perceived need to increase the forum base--people can take it or leave it.
There are more specific enthusiasts forums all over the web, where there seems to be greater tolerance of the same old newbie question asked over and over again. Those forums, however, may not offer the depth of technical expertise as found here.
So, for my part, I've learned that when I have really basic questions (being a neophyte myself), I take those questions elsewhere, perhaps in a more specific application forum like Head-Fi or a Hobbyist site like AMB's forum. I'll come here when I have a much more highly technical query--and I'll have darned-well researched quite a bit before I've gotten to that point.
This site even bills itself as a "site for fanatics." Perhaps that's more to the point. Perhaps this community really isn't about getting people into the hobby--it's for those that are already established and are working through more developed issues. Or for manufacturers bouncing ideas off of each other. What I've noticed is awkwardly-worded, seemingly unsearched (although I must point out that search functions on many forums I've been to are severely lacking in usefulness), or broad "newbie-ish" questions fall rather flat here. Detailed, highly specific, scientifically-worded queries get lots of responses and lots of debate. I'm not saying that's necessarily a bad thing, just that folks with deep technical knowledge have much different expectations than those who are starting out in the hobby.
"death of diy?" If you take this forum by itself to be a recruiting tool for the hobby, I can see how you might feel that way.
But then, that's not what that particular forum seems to be for...
....or is it?
No, it is not so much lack of knowledge as lack of effort which is the problem with some newbies. Questions like "how do I design a preamplifier" show lack of effort. Newbies asking sensible questions are generally treated well e.g. "what does R2 do in this circuit?" (That shows that the poster has bothered to find a circuit and attempted to understand it, and has probably succeeded to some extent - we can help someone like that. If the answer is "R2 is a grid stopper", then Google can then help the person learn about grid stoppers).
Forum searches can always be augmented by Google etc. In many cases a question posted here has an answer which appears on the first page of Google results, which suggests that the poster has not even bothered to do that.
I can't comment about elsewhere, but here in the UK we have a problem with parents indulging their children and schools/universities spoon-feeding their 'students'. The result is that youngsters want to assert their independence, yet are actually much more dependent on others than previous generations were. They expect everyone to serve them.
Forum searches can always be augmented by Google etc. In many cases a question posted here has an answer which appears on the first page of Google results, which suggests that the poster has not even bothered to do that.
I can't comment about elsewhere, but here in the UK we have a problem with parents indulging their children and schools/universities spoon-feeding their 'students'. The result is that youngsters want to assert their independence, yet are actually much more dependent on others than previous generations were. They expect everyone to serve them.
well, sometimes it goes like this "hey, I just bought a roll of the finest silk, please tell how to tailor my own suit"
such question is indeed based on lack of knowledge, not knowing about the complications
because it implies that its probably easy, saying "hey, how hard can it be", one could look at it as being slightly offending
in the sense that it disrespects the huge amount of time, training and study it takes to achieve such knowledge, and experience
such question is indeed based on lack of knowledge, not knowing about the complications
because it implies that its probably easy, saying "hey, how hard can it be", one could look at it as being slightly offending
in the sense that it disrespects the huge amount of time, training and study it takes to achieve such knowledge, and experience
We live in a world of instant gratification: I was taking photos of my nefew(5 years old) with a 35mm Camera, you know with film in it. After I took a few shots he asked me to show him the pictures. He was so familiar with digital cameras with preview screens that he got mad at me when I would not show him the pictures I had just taken. Though I did explain the difference between camera types, he could not and would not comprehend the fact that I was using a different type of camera.
I found the situation very entertaining but deep somewhere in that little kid's mind, I'm a jerk. Perhaps I am a jerk but for using a 35mm camera?
DIY AUDIO holds massive volumes of opinion and debate. The site also archives 100's even 1000's of project designs. You could send an email disclaimer warning new members of this fact and advise them to use the search feature but who would actually read and adhere?
That is why the site has this feature:
I found the situation very entertaining but deep somewhere in that little kid's mind, I'm a jerk. Perhaps I am a jerk but for using a 35mm camera?
DIY AUDIO holds massive volumes of opinion and debate. The site also archives 100's even 1000's of project designs. You could send an email disclaimer warning new members of this fact and advise them to use the search feature but who would actually read and adhere?
That is why the site has this feature:
I had the same issue as viki. I started just collecting projects , converting to pdf's , sorting it all out. Links would disappear , designs would change
.A whole new forum section , where things would be semi-permanent. BOM's , PCB artwork and photo's of a completed project. Minimum requirements for said project - safety , multiple builds , standardized file-types and documentations.
If some change or update is really required as is needed for the requirements , you would ask (moderation).
PROJECTS >
Sections >
AMPS - A , AB , H , D , tube
Line level (preamps)
protection
power-supplies
speakers
With each project , a PM link for the creator (questions , comments).
This forum has become like a "big box" store ... too many choices/ too much content. A simple vague search will bring forth 100's of threads.
PS - you could rank projects in the difficulty / cost aspect as well.
OS
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