Right. Death ray was until 10 years ago pure Sci-Fi, yet today we do have lasers today and are not really impressed by them any more.
Everything is discovered ONCE, no one knows when and where.
Let me clarify. By "healthy skepticism" I refer to one's possible, even probable doubts when one comes across something claiming to be a revolution. Doubt but do not conclude until you've tried it, no summary judgements.
I am not impressed by every ad claiming something ingenius, but I do not summarily deny it is so until I have actually heard it in my and a few other systems I consider to be good. If it does nothing important anywhere, THEN I coclude it was a dud. That's because I have been told many times something was out of this world, nd feel I was badly let down far too many times.
As far as I am aware, fraud is a criminal offence.
Ditto.
Not applicable to proprietary patent rights and/or procedures.
As it seems, you have not followed the BB issue from the beginning
Unfortunately, yes I have And I've senn too many things which are wrong, in my view.
Sorry Gerorge, who's "Eddy"?
Sorry, his answer if we are thinking about the same man, did not satisfy and serious query. As for armchair nay sayers, true, not all are like that, but too many seem to be. And they are belligerent.
That would be nice, since indirectly I was threatened with a law suit for saying certain things about these FRAUD devices, nice to know people blindingly believe in them, when they are one of the more obvious esoteric audio scams along with HFTs.
The onus then is on the person claiming the 'revolution' to make sense. In current context, none of the QP claims by the manufacturer make sense to me. That's quite apart from the issue of what SQ differences they may (or may not) make.
Again there are two parallel issues here - the promotional claims and the subjective results. I wonder if they're getting conflated?
Surely then an honest approach would be to say 'we're getting results but we're not sure how, try it for yourself'. Which does not appear to be the approach taken in the QP context, rather there's obfuscation and smokescreening in terms of the claims being made for how they do what(ever) they do.
Curious - what's preventing you introducing 'something else' in order to distract the topic away from the undesired one?
I don't like scams of any kind, neither any normal
person likes these. Please excuse me if I don't
feel sorry for anyone feeling as a victim of an audio
scam. Spending a couple of hundred or thousands of
bucks on some marginal audio product tells me that
this individual does not have to deal with fundamental
issues like having not enough funds to buy food, firewood,
anything needed to normally live between two paychecks.
person likes these. Please excuse me if I don't
feel sorry for anyone feeling as a victim of an audio
scam. Spending a couple of hundred or thousands of
bucks on some marginal audio product tells me that
this individual does not have to deal with fundamental
issues like having not enough funds to buy food, firewood,
anything needed to normally live between two paychecks.
Over the years the text on the Bybee site has changed to reflect the constant battering the device and its claims justifiably get, the new blurb has the requisite words for the believers...
The non believers have closed minds and cannot see the Emperors New clothes....
Never mind selling restricted materials to one and all...
of course all other components tend to come with data sheets, I suppose a data sheet for a small value resistor would be rather a joke at the money these are sold at.
The non believers have closed minds and cannot see the Emperors New clothes....
Never mind selling restricted materials to one and all...
of course all other components tend to come with data sheets, I suppose a data sheet for a small value resistor would be rather a joke at the money these are sold at.
I think I was quite clear on promotional claims - I necver did and never will support wild claims of "revolutions" and similar ground breaking terms unless I am clearly explained just how was that done. In other words, enabled to make up my own mind whether that was indeed reolutionary or simply evolutinary or a shot in the dark.
I do not support Bybee or Bybee-like promotional texts, I believe they do their authors more harm than good, but it appears they disagree. In the end, they will pay the price, but in the meanwhile they will have ripped off a lot of people and that can't be right.
But if there's such a strong feeling about it, then someone should take them to court for fraud. That is, I believe, punishable by law. When I feel wronged I sue the government, 5 times in the last 25 years, and was told on every turn that I could not win, yet I did. All it takes is some resolve and a good lawyer, which mine is, and also a good friend as well.
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It's especially tiresome that the same lame excuses keep getting recycled. But John is an expert at getting attention and he has succeeded once again.
Over the years the text on the Bybee site has changed to reflect the constant battering the device and its claims justifiably get, the new blurb has the requisite words for the believers...
The non believers have closed minds and cannot see the Emperors New clothes....
Never mind selling restricted materials to one and all...
of course all other components tend to come with data sheets, I suppose a data sheet for a small value resistor would be rather a joke at the money these are sold at.
If the US military have an issue with Bybee, I feel confident they could deal with it all on their own. And they don't have a reputation of being gentle, no military ever does.
Advertisement BS dispute fall under civil law jurisdiction unless it has to do with health/life threatening issues in which case it is under criminal law
I would say, especially so:
“A category of procedural devices employed by a party to a civil or criminal action, prior to trial, to require the adverse party to disclose information that is essential for the preparation of the requesting party's case and that the other party alone knows or possesses.”
Sorry George, who's "Eddy"?
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Dejan
You haven’t searched enough or not at all
SY (othet members contributed for the items purchase) conducted technical measurements:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/everything-else/172673-bybee-quantum-purifier-measurement-analysis.html
You may object as to the finite number of tests, you may object that he didn’t invest more money and more part of his life into that, you may object as to SY has not published his listening test results or that he conducted listening tests with only one audio system, you may object that he didn’t arrange for the testing time falling within a favorable astrological juncture but you can’t deny that what he did was in agreement with your expressed line of reasoning:
If you have the slightest interest over these BB devices, read through the hundreds (thousands?) of posts at diyaudio.com before deciding to post anything relevant.
I trust you are able to judge for yourself if these worth any time of your precious life.
George
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Can't see any harm in it myself, but that's just me. I mean if people buy and hear, they're satisfied are they not? If they buy and yet don't hear, they'd ask for a refund I presume. To me its odd that those who are busy shouting 'fraud, fraud' are in neither of those categories - rather they're in the 'would never buy, don't wish to hear' group.
I take it there is no such strong feeling, because there are plenty of words but no action.
That's nice and all, but if you use it mostly the retailer won't want to take it back.
So if a demonstration product is available you can take it home and try it, otherwise i think you won't be able to simply try it and return.
But hey, maybe in the states things work differently
excellent post, i think you are right.
So we are really trying to prevent the 'snobs'(no offence intended!!) from spending a very small portion of their wealth of money.
JB is like Robin Hood
, wonder if he also distributes the lute to the poor than the man is nothing short of a hero!But what about differences in caps?
Just to change the subject a bit.
I have never measured caps in depth but just for capacitance and still find they can sound quite differently say for example in the cross over for the tweeter.
Or even the coupling caps in a preamp or cd player.
What about those differences? subjectivity? i wouldn't agree then as i hear it myself, or is the psycho acoustic that strong..?
And yes, i agree with Simon7000, we can (all) learn from each other so a peacefull conversation with a bit of humor is always nice!
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Esoteric audio beliefs do not help in any way, and things like the Bybee and cable directivity have a negative effect on audio and audiophiles leaving them open to ridicule etc...does this help promote higher fidelity...no, that is why I do not like this sort of stuff, it detracts from the real problems in sound reproduction, it misinforms people and is not backed up by facts, just marketing mumbo jumbo and audio snobbery... your hearing/system is not good enough blah blah blah.....
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