Ah but the issue is that many reviewers seem to think something is happening.
Now that it has been mentioned they might emit an RF field it gives me another variable to play with.
Years back some friends took advantage of the zeta potential of water to use an RF field around 15 Mhz to separate water from oil in industrial waste. The exact frequency and power levels were the magic sauce.
So the website mentions greasing the Oxygen, wonder what frequency that takes? The power level should of course be below 300 micro-watts. I suspect I will also try Nitrogen's phone number.
SY once you stop laughing any ideas?
That last line got me thinking. If this device changes the acoustic transfer function of the air, is that not anti audiophile? This distortion is there during live performances, isn,t it (at a higher level because of distance and dynamic range)? Its in the studio when there recording, and mixing. So if this device changes the sound it is a proccesor. (does it "improve" the sound of a live string quartet? It should)
Yes, let anyone selling it provide actual data and explain what it actually does without assuming fake credentials and spinning nonsense tales.
I know, that's crazy-talk.
zeta... or not
Old, old news. In the '70's we manipulated the zeta potential to optimally produce ultra-high modulus thoria dispersed EF nickel alloys for aerospace component fabrication. Big deal... no magic involved, just careful studies and experimentation... used all the time to maximize filtration and coagulation efficiencies.
And air is predominately N2 so why the focus on oxygen??
Old, old news. In the '70's we manipulated the zeta potential to optimally produce ultra-high modulus thoria dispersed EF nickel alloys for aerospace component fabrication. Big deal... no magic involved, just careful studies and experimentation... used all the time to maximize filtration and coagulation efficiencies.
And air is predominately N2 so why the focus on oxygen??
Oxygen is mentioned on the web site! N2 would seems to be the major component of air around here so I thought that would be worth a try.
SY,
I just don't think you quite get the spirit of this. Yes it is quite possible that many reviewers are being duped into hearing something from magic boxes and crystals. But for me it is actually easier to do a few tests than it is to even follow this now way too long thread.
So tomorrow if I get the chance low power RF fields at ten feet!
Wait, if the device ethereally lubricating molecules of an oxygen changes speed of sound it should create additional interference patterns since it can't act on all distances equally!
How unstable are Ethereally lubricated Oxygen molecules? I'm just worried about a cascading chain reaction... Never mind, I'm sure it'll be fine.
BTW, why is the air in here glowing? must be all the O3 that is being lubricated.
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The FCC wants me to stop transmitting between 100KHz and 1GHz.
I have an FCC license that permits me to transmit at reasonably high powers in specific segments throughout that entire frequency range...
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Well this morning I decided to try using an RF sweep generator I built some time back to put a small bit of RF in the air around the loudspeaker. I checked with my spectrum analyzer to see if it was working and it was at a fairly low level -30 db re 1 mv at 50 ohms with a 1/4 w resistor stuck in the input connector for an antenna.
I then played some music from my test bench system and played with the Rf output. I finally left it sweeping from about 5 to 50 Mhz with a squarewave output and lots of harmonics.
I then moved my signal source to the office and put a CD on the main system and asked one of my young apprentices if he heard a difference.
Well drag me behind a chariot for two laps at the Grand Circus!
We both heard a slight increase in the high end with the RF field on!
Now I will play a bit with frequencies and levels and take some actual measurements. If the results hold up this actually could be useful for some applications.
So what is happening? I would suspect that since it is the moisture in the air that has to do with high frequency losses that the RF energy is influencing that behavior. Just a guess.
Now if the magic boxes are using this possible effect to tweak the HF response of a speaker system this should be slightly different that just raising or lowering the tweeter level as this would be closer to a high boost shelving filter.
I then played some music from my test bench system and played with the Rf output. I finally left it sweeping from about 5 to 50 Mhz with a squarewave output and lots of harmonics.
I then moved my signal source to the office and put a CD on the main system and asked one of my young apprentices if he heard a difference.
Well drag me behind a chariot for two laps at the Grand Circus!
We both heard a slight increase in the high end with the RF field on!
Now I will play a bit with frequencies and levels and take some actual measurements. If the results hold up this actually could be useful for some applications.
So what is happening? I would suspect that since it is the moisture in the air that has to do with high frequency losses that the RF energy is influencing that behavior. Just a guess.
Now if the magic boxes are using this possible effect to tweak the HF response of a speaker system this should be slightly different that just raising or lowering the tweeter level as this would be closer to a high boost shelving filter.
It is a rainy day here, the humidity is high and my experience is that humidity really does affect HF transmission. If you have another idea or experiment to determine what is causing the possible effect let me know. But this really looks like it is measurable difference albeit very small. (Say 1 db at 20Khz.)
Lubricating oxygen molecules? How? By putting oil on them to reduce friction?
The oxygen around us is O2, two oxygen atoms connected to eachother. So for an oxygen molecule you have a total of two atoms.
Oil molecules are a lot bigger. This is how an octane molecule looks like
This is what an O2 molecule looks like
I see no way how that oil molecule could possible lubricate the much smaller O2 molecule. And then octane isn't the largest oil molecule available either, they can be much bigger!
And I read earlier in the thread about that it's easier to move something that's already moving than moving something that's already still. I'll take an example from my physics book. On a warm summer day (27 degrees celsius) the molecules in the air move at around 500m/s. If somebody claims that they aren't moving, then I must say I think that if something travels with a speed of 500m/s I definitely think the object is moving.
Regarding those hockey pucks, magic stones, magic shells it's all just bull**** in my opinion
The oxygen around us is O2, two oxygen atoms connected to eachother. So for an oxygen molecule you have a total of two atoms.
Oil molecules are a lot bigger. This is how an octane molecule looks like
This is what an O2 molecule looks like
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
I see no way how that oil molecule could possible lubricate the much smaller O2 molecule. And then octane isn't the largest oil molecule available either, they can be much bigger!
And I read earlier in the thread about that it's easier to move something that's already moving than moving something that's already still. I'll take an example from my physics book. On a warm summer day (27 degrees celsius) the molecules in the air move at around 500m/s. If somebody claims that they aren't moving, then I must say I think that if something travels with a speed of 500m/s I definitely think the object is moving.
Regarding those hockey pucks, magic stones, magic shells it's all just bull**** in my opinion
I made the point because I think the analogy with tape bias is wrong, since the effects occur at opposite ends of the scale.
On top of it, evolution may have created our ears such that sound transmitted through air sounds more natural compared to other media, e.g. yellow mustard. Changing the characteristics of air in this respect, if at all possible, could only lead to a less live like sound.
Are you curious enough to put a microphone there, chopping the RF would give an extremely sensitive measurement. Was that -30dB below 1mv or mW? Are you really talking about sub micro-Watts doing this, I think the broadband baeing seen backround is greater than this as well as this never beeing seen before. 1dB is not small.
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