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On lesses stages is sounds like "buhf" and is much less dynamic and scary. It also is not as well places in the soundstage, like coming from a single point in space. You hear what the dog "wants to say". HELLO, i am here !!!!! Do not try to attack me !!! I am strong !!! On a really magical stage you hear the dog also surrounded by some insects and other jungle sounds.
 
Holger, you have sit in the "sweet spot" when we listened to that Stravinsky piece.
When you look from there to the right, through the big window, where we park our car,
there is where i hear the dog on the Roger Waters, then it comes near and is somewhere right behind you and then... i forgot, and then the horse carriage, it comes from left, ca 10m away then in comes near, rides around your back and then disappears to the right back. All this is possible with only two good quality channels.
 
Which album ?

I'll buy it tomorrow and have a listening test.
Probably not on Vinyl :(

I love those recordings It always make me smile and think how wonderful Real Stereo is (with just tow speakers we are capable of listening to 3D sound)
It's amazing isn't it :D

Audiofanatic :)




No, the dog is on a Mercedes Sosa recording. Very, very soft, very far away. Only the best stages make the dog bark. It sounds then really "Wauoow".
 
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that was alo what i simulated....mikrovolts....seems like most is according to simulations...which is good..!!
Would have expected thermal issues to play a role, but it seems to balance itself out quite well

Hi Michael,

yes thats true, in my small test I measured output DC voltage with no servo inserted, and blowing on the input transistors made the offset change by maybe 100mV or so, went down again to steady state just as quickly with no overshoot or similar.

My conclusion is that the servo is more than capable to handle that, and it is best to have a closed cabinet in order to prevent any airflow around the input stage. Maybe even putting a small cover on top of those transistors....
 
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On lesses stages is sounds like "buhf" and is much less dynamic and scary. It also is not as well places in the soundstage, like coming from a single point in space. You hear what the dog "wants to say". HELLO, i am here !!!!! Do not try to attack me !!! I am strong !!! On a really magical stage you hear the dog also surrounded by some insects and other jungle sounds.

Thats a great description, I am going to get that record. for the time being I have to contend with what I have, one of my references being "The very best of Diana Krall" (although the microphone for the voice really s.....).

I know you guys want to know what Paradise sounds like..... Seriously, it is to early to say anything conclusive, and I certainly am not the authority on this, nor do I claim being "objective" (whatever that means.....). This is just my initial impressions, and I am comparing it to my FPS phono stage also from Joachim. The differences I heard were very small to begin with.

Both are practically noise-free, and very clear-sounding. The FPS probably is a touch more "elegant", "airy", whereas the Paradise is very clear and neutral, slightly beefier bass (but remember the caps still need some time to burn in, as does the rest of the circuit) and again TONs of detail. I had a feeling that voices were a little bit more present and lively, the same for strings, but if that is due to the use of bipolars vs JFETs, or the fact that I still need to adjust the current sources for lowest offset (a.k.a. some input stage distortion) I do not know. And I cant quantify it , as the distortion is very low anyway.

More fiddling and listening tonight ;-) My biggest relief really was that the circuit worked almost straight out of the box, so unless my fellow beta builders come up with something serious we should be good to go on a group buy really soon! (Nothing stopping you from getting those transistors and start matching, that may take some time...)
 
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Here is some more :
Conclusion : best to avoid offset
Hesener : "can not measure offset at the paradise input"

In most cartridges I believe that there may be a just so small mechanical mismatch for the angle of the diamond (both VTA and azimuth), and the mounting of the whole assembly in the spring, plus some further azimuth variation induced by antiskating.

My point being - when you turn that "offset" trimmer, are you seeing a NULL in distortion at some point? (where the magnetic force imposed through the offset acting as a motor just compensates the above, to make the diamond sit perfectly in the groove)?

just thinking out loud.....
 
Hi Michael,

yes thats true, in my small test I measured output DC voltage with no servo inserted, and blowing on the input transistors made the offset change by maybe 100mV or so, went down again to steady state just as quickly with no overshoot or similar.

My conclusion is that the servo is more than capable to handle that, and it is best to have a closed cabinet in order to prevent any airflow around the input stage. Maybe even putting a small cover on top of those transistors....

No cover! It will accumulate heat and you will have a high risk of overheating (even on devices that seem to be cold (have an environment bound temperature)).
 
Think that would be hard to implement.. at tuning would require distortion analyser...so for a practical unit...we must assume that the cartridge makers know how to do their work..
regarding cover Iam thinkin in therms of a small aluminium lid glued on top of the 8 input transistors...call it cooling or temperature stabilization
 
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Think that would be hard to implement.. at tuning would require distortion analysee...so for a practical unit...we must assume that the cartridge makers know how to do their work..
regarding cover Iam thinkin in therms of a small aluminium lid glued on top of the 8 input transistors...call it cooling or temperature stabilization

I agree on the heat accumulating. It will also eventually take days to stabilize thermally.... EUVL (over in the Pass Labs forum) has used a heatsink with holes for TO92 devices with great success, it is shown on the cover of the latest of Jan Diddens "Linear Audio". Maybe we just want to create a aluminum plate with corresponding holes, and then put a regular heatsink on top?
 
Maybe even putting a small cover on top of those transistors....
If someone send me a exact measured Footprint of the
Q's in question, (means their position to each other)
i'll see wat i can do on that.
Copper ?
Something like this:
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....but with multiple holes.
 
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