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Buffallo Dual Mono 1 Legato

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the current output of a single buffalo II is 16ma.

guys i have one question too.

i don`t have i2s to feed the buffalo modules.

can it be done with paraled coaxial or it would spoil the 75ohm standard?

my other option is to use the 2 transformer isolated outputs from musiland.

one is with rca and the other is with bnc.

this will be for testing purpose only.

if i like it and buy a second buffalo for myself

i will change the connectors to use the same at both channels.
 
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jgazal

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back said:
the current output of a single buffalo II is 16ma.

guys i have one question too.

i don`t have i2s to feed the buffalo modules.

can it be done with paraled coaxial or it would spoil the 75ohm standard?

my other option is to use the 2 transformer isolated outputs from musiland.

one is with rca and the other is with bnc.

this will be for testing purpose only.

if i like it and buy a second buffalo for myself

i will change the connectors to use the same at both channels.
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Russ White said:
No need to buffer if you use I2S source as the impedance is pretty high. If your using any of our I2S sources the outputs are perfectly capable driving the load and are designed to do so.

If your using SPDIF the solution is similarly quite simple. Use one Buffalo II with normal SPIDF input. On the other leave the SPDIF switch open. Now connect D1 and GND between the DACs. This will make a single comparator drive D1 with TTL level SPDIF on both DACs. Something it can do quite easily. This works very well and is how I did some of my testing.

Cheers!
Russ
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Is this helpful in anyway?
 
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Rosendorfer

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nycavsr2000 said:
Next question. Since you used 2 Buffalo II modules, obviously the current doubled. What did you end up changing on the Legato module in order to get 1.5V to 2V rms at 0dBfs? It's important to find out what this current is as others who would like to implement a differential I/V stage, whether tubed or solid state or transformer, will need this info to make sure their favorite I/V stage can handle this level of current.

Does anybody know what the current output is of a single buffalo II module?

Thanks,
Anand.
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Hi Anand
Or even "Dzień Dobry"

Well this is really good question how Legato is reflecting double current from Buffalo side. In theory this would be 2x16ma about 30-32ma and this is definitely few times more that other “I output DAC” I know. And I/U stage have to be designed to work on that high output current level.
At "Legato or IVY III" thread IngemarR did post simulation of Legato with some very nice results, I will try to ask him about possibility or running his simulation again with double current from Buffalo. Maybe he will find this subject interesting, and we could see how this works, at list on simulations.

As for higher output level at Legato this is of cause the case, output level is higher. If this is interesting for You I can check the real situation with the scope, this actually is interesting.

As for lowering Legato output level, there is very nice "Legato Tweekers" thread if I remember correctly, where this is explained by "the Legato maker" himself...:D so this could be "the best source" if You wish to do this.
As for me I "like" the higher than standard output levels, but I mod my PowerAmp, I feed directly from Legato, to be able to work with this. And for me this is another advantage of this setup.


Best Regards
Rosendorfer
 
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Rosendorfer said:
Hi Anand
Or even "Dzień Dobry"

Well this is really good question how Legato is reflecting double current from Buffalo side. In theory this would be 2x16ma about 30-32ma and this is definitely few times more that other “I output DAC” I know. And I/U stage have to be designed to work on that high output current level.
At "Legato or IVY III" thread IngemarR did post simulation of Legato with some very nice results, I will try to ask him about possibility or running his simulation again with double current from Buffalo. Maybe he will find this subject interesting, and we could see how this works, at list on simulations.

As for higher output level at Legato this is of cause the case, output level is higher. If this is interesting for You I can check the real situation with the scope, this actually is interesting.

As for lowering Legato output level, there is very nice "Legato Tweekers" thread if I remember correctly, where this is explained by "the Legato maker" himself...:D so this could be "the best source" if You wish to do this.
As for me I "like" the higher than standard output levels, but I mod my PowerAmp, I feed directly from Legato, to be able to work with this. And for me this is another advantage of this setup.


Best Regards
Rosendorfer
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Legato copes quite well with the higher current, but you will want to reduce the I/V resistor.

I am sorry I have not had to time to read the whole thread yet. It looks like you are doing well. If you need any specific questions still answered let me know.

Good work! :)

Cheers!
Russ
 
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Rosendorfer

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Hi IngemarR

Thanks for Your post ..!!
Your simulations are very interesting...
Please correct me if I'm wrong but it seems that for
lets call this: normal stereo mode with 16ma input current at Legato the simulations results are absolutely much better.

The 3-rd harmonics, 60Khz with normal stereo mode we get -125,6dB and at Dual mode with 32ma input current at Legato there is -109,5dB this is like 16,1 dB difference.

And THD at normal stereo mode 60kHz Up is 0,0000772% and with Dual mode 0,0003369%.

So it looks that we get signal level up, but we do loose pretty much on distortion..having higher signal level.

Best Regards
Rosendorfer
 
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IngemarR

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Here's a comparison between 75R and 150R as IV resistors with dual Buffalo driving Legato 1. Hardly any difference in my sim.

This is at 20 kHz as earlier, and I think it is excellent performance.



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Not sure I follow what would be scary. :) Perhaps I did not explain well?

You would connect the same phase from one side of the legato to the other. You just have to keep in mind that they are inverted so the + on one side would connect to the - on the other.

I will try to draw a picture when I get a chance.

One benefit is you get half the output impedance. :)
 
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IngemarR said:
Here's a comparison between 75R and 150R as IV resistors with dual Buffalo driving Legato 1. Hardly any difference in my sim.

This is at 20 kHz as earlier, and I think it is excellent performance.



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Hi IngemarR

Could You make simulation for single ended output and if possible also output without the buffer, so we can see if this is making any difference.

60kHz 3-rd harmonics at -110dB is absolutely great resoult ...:cool: but I'm bit puzzled why there is so big difference against normall stereo version @ -125,6dB, specially that it seems that this is not simply corelated with higher output level.

And any chances You could run Your simulation on "parallel mosfets" Legato 2 version....?

Best Regards
Rosendorfer
 
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