@malufhet2000
here you go...
for the 15mid its very important that you get a good 6.5" and design a good passive network and if you can modify the 6.5" panel placement so that it will be mechanically time-aligned to other drivers...this will minimize comb-filter.
just remember that if you use other drivers...response will not be same as the required drivers...but, you can eq a little (be aware of the phase shifting during eq) to get your own desired response.
have fun
jojo
here you go...
for the 15mid its very important that you get a good 6.5" and design a good passive network and if you can modify the 6.5" panel placement so that it will be mechanically time-aligned to other drivers...this will minimize comb-filter.
just remember that if you use other drivers...response will not be same as the required drivers...but, you can eq a little (be aware of the phase shifting during eq) to get your own desired response.
have fun
jojo
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i built these before,and i only use crown 1860 the result is very disappointing@malufhet2000
see attachment for your requested info on WBOX...its not a subzero...Subzero is a company that makes Car audio boxes...Products
have fun
jojo
i know d.b. keele plan is not the problem,what box can you suggest best for 1860
@engel dela pena
tough question...
The good old Pro PA 1860...we use to jig this driver in different type and configuration of boxes. too bad it doesn't have any T/S. we did also use this driver in our wbox way back then...but we have to tune the port or just sealed it (no port) so that 1860 will not over excursion due to vacuum...then we use to fill-in some fiberglass ( a lot of them) to lessen the volume of the box. that was 20years ago. 8 boxes sounded alright before.
the problem with 1860 is that power compression is too early...the stamp metal basket is too thin maybe about 1mm only...so they warp a lot and causing the voice coil (motor) to misaligned until they damaged the copper wounds.
And also 1860 has save us a lot, they did survive up to this time. you know their weakness don't abuse them.
the only box that they really shine is when we jig them in our WSX (we have to mod the box to take 1860 they are deep) again power compression is early too, but for a stock of 4 block we are amaze, we never heard 1860 perform that way before.
please take note that the subject is 1860 only...so dont try to bring in any brand.
Im not saying that 1860 is bad or good...the best thing about 1860 is they are CHEAP.
have a nice day
jojo
tough question...
The good old Pro PA 1860...we use to jig this driver in different type and configuration of boxes. too bad it doesn't have any T/S. we did also use this driver in our wbox way back then...but we have to tune the port or just sealed it (no port) so that 1860 will not over excursion due to vacuum...then we use to fill-in some fiberglass ( a lot of them) to lessen the volume of the box. that was 20years ago. 8 boxes sounded alright before.
the problem with 1860 is that power compression is too early...the stamp metal basket is too thin maybe about 1mm only...so they warp a lot and causing the voice coil (motor) to misaligned until they damaged the copper wounds.
And also 1860 has save us a lot, they did survive up to this time. you know their weakness don't abuse them.
the only box that they really shine is when we jig them in our WSX (we have to mod the box to take 1860 they are deep) again power compression is early too, but for a stock of 4 block we are amaze, we never heard 1860 perform that way before.
please take note that the subject is 1860 only...so dont try to bring in any brand.
Im not saying that 1860 is bad or good...the best thing about 1860 is they are CHEAP.
have a nice day
jojo
i heard these days that it is better to replace 1860's voice coil instead rewinding it.@engel dela pena
tough question...
The good old Pro PA 1860...we use to jig this driver in different type and configuration of boxes. too bad it doesn't have any T/S. we did also use this driver in our wbox way back then...but we have to tune the port or just sealed it (no port) so that 1860 will not over excursion due to vacuum...then we use to fill-in some fiberglass ( a lot of them) to lessen the volume of the box. that was 20years ago. 8 boxes sounded alright before.
the problem with 1860 is that power compression is too early...the stamp metal basket is too thin maybe about 1mm only...so they warp a lot and causing the voice coil (motor) to misaligned until they damaged the copper wounds.
And also 1860 has save us a lot, they did survive up to this time. you know their weakness don't abuse them.
the only box that they really shine is when we jig them in our WSX (we have to mod the box to take 1860 they are deep) again power compression is early too, but for a stock of 4 block we are amaze, we never heard 1860 perform that way before.
please take note that the subject is 1860 only...so dont try to bring in any brand.
Im not saying that 1860 is bad or good...the best thing about 1860 is they are CHEAP.
have a nice day
jojo
maybe because 1860 rewinding cost 500 while buying new voice coil is almost same or near that price,just aline & replace like diy thing,
by the way thank you sir for answering the what you call this?a THOUGH question,would you believe i dismantle those d.b. keele box bec. of frustration i expect too much with w-bin & the 1860,another question can you share your modification of wsx i dismantle the w-bin but i still got the 1860,and do you know where to buy this 1860 ready made voice coil?
@engel dela pena
Let me rephrase..."tough question"...Hard question... what is the right box for 1860?...the problem is we don't have the T/S, thus, we cannot design or sim for a proper box.
Sure..i will draw it in 3d so that it will be clear to see where the mods happen. i will post it when its done.
5" voice coil for 1860 is available in Paul Vincent Store in Raon, Manila.
Have a nice Day
jojo
Let me rephrase..."tough question"...Hard question... what is the right box for 1860?...the problem is we don't have the T/S, thus, we cannot design or sim for a proper box.
Sure..i will draw it in 3d so that it will be clear to see where the mods happen. i will post it when its done.
5" voice coil for 1860 is available in Paul Vincent Store in Raon, Manila.
Have a nice Day
jojo
way back then when you use this w-bin did you use the original port or did you sealed it?@engel dela pena
Let me rephrase..."tough question"...Hard question... what is the right box for 1860?...the problem is we don't have the T/S, thus, we cannot design or sim for a proper box.
Sure..i will draw it in 3d so that it will be clear to see where the mods happen. i will post it when its done.
5" voice coil for 1860 is available in Paul Vincent Store in Raon, Manila.
Have a nice Day
jojo
how much each?Anyone who is in need of 12" Celestion 1225...
we have 16pcs on stock ready for disposal...
good for wedge monitor and guitar amp driver replacement.
have a nice day.
jojo
i was thinking mine is only 4'' voice coil@engel dela pena
Let me rephrase..."tough question"...Hard question... what is the right box for 1860?...the problem is we don't have the T/S, thus, we cannot design or sim for a proper box.
Sure..i will draw it in 3d so that it will be clear to see where the mods happen. i will post it when its done.
5" voice coil for 1860 is available in Paul Vincent Store in Raon, Manila.
Have a nice Day
jojo
is there anybody already tried this bin from selenium?
is 1860 good for this one?
http://www.iakn.com/enclosures/HB1805A1_i.pdf
is 1860 good for this one?
http://www.iakn.com/enclosures/HB1805A1_i.pdf
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i was thinking mine is only 4'' voice coil
i stand corrected...sorry your right its 4"
jojo
Good day. sir jojo im patrick from palawan, remember me?? im hoping to start my lights sound system rental project soon. and doing a lot of research.
My plan is this (ill be using behringer loudspeaker management DCX2496).
2 MT122 and 4 186 Bins (from speaker plans) per side.
The HI (mt122 2" Compression driver) will be powered by phonic XP1000
The MID (mt122 2pc. 12" driver) will be powered by Phonic XP3000
The LO (186 BINS) will be powered by Phonic XP5000
Is it ok that the XP3000 and 5000 will be running on 2omps? because the plan is ill only use 1 pc. xp3000 for mid and xp500 for lo. So 2 omphs per channel. Will it be stable???
Or can you recommend me another amp.
And another one im also having idea of
2MT122,2 W-BINS,2 186 BINS per side (instead of 2 MT122 and 4 186 Bins) considering that i will be using a loudspeaker management. thank you.
My plan is this (ill be using behringer loudspeaker management DCX2496).
2 MT122 and 4 186 Bins (from speaker plans) per side.
The HI (mt122 2" Compression driver) will be powered by phonic XP1000
The MID (mt122 2pc. 12" driver) will be powered by Phonic XP3000
The LO (186 BINS) will be powered by Phonic XP5000
Is it ok that the XP3000 and 5000 will be running on 2omps? because the plan is ill only use 1 pc. xp3000 for mid and xp500 for lo. So 2 omphs per channel. Will it be stable???
Or can you recommend me another amp.
And another one im also having idea of
2MT122,2 W-BINS,2 186 BINS per side (instead of 2 MT122 and 4 186 Bins) considering that i will be using a loudspeaker management. thank you.
@dakilangpatrici0
we are loading our xp3000@2ohms for the bass(100hz-600hz) using 12" drivers...then mid to hi(600hz-10khz) using 8" + 1" drivers. so far so good for the tops.
But, for the sub...we don't load our xp5000 at 2ohms just 4ohms. This is because the lower the frequency goes the smaller the impedance of the speaker driver gets...when this is happening amplifier gets to draw more current, thus, making it hotter...while XP5000 claims it has all the Fool-proofing protections, don't take chances.
don't mix and match different type of boxes, you will have time alignment issues...if use wbins make it all wbins, if 186 horns then 186 it is.
i know that DCX can handle the time issue...just do it right the first time, that all your boxes are uniform and mechanically time-aligned and you will never go wrong.
have a nice day
jojo
we are loading our xp3000@2ohms for the bass(100hz-600hz) using 12" drivers...then mid to hi(600hz-10khz) using 8" + 1" drivers. so far so good for the tops.
But, for the sub...we don't load our xp5000 at 2ohms just 4ohms. This is because the lower the frequency goes the smaller the impedance of the speaker driver gets...when this is happening amplifier gets to draw more current, thus, making it hotter...while XP5000 claims it has all the Fool-proofing protections, don't take chances.
don't mix and match different type of boxes, you will have time alignment issues...if use wbins make it all wbins, if 186 horns then 186 it is.
i know that DCX can handle the time issue...just do it right the first time, that all your boxes are uniform and mechanically time-aligned and you will never go wrong.
have a nice day
jojo
sir jojo
what is the cuurent price for phonic xp5000?
last year it was around 37k in Philippine Currency.
jojo
last year it was around 37k in Philippine Currency.
jojo
sir jojo
what compression driver you can recommed not too xpensive and souding good.
@rhodrich
TDU 500 Konzert...sound decent and very cheap...Php 2.5k only
Have a nice day
jojo
sir jojo
what is the value of the capacitor to be series on thta compression driver?
this tdu 500 sounded better than the cs450 of crown?
thanks alot sir
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