Guys,
... but what is the advantage of dual bridge?
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Here is a comment from Mr. Pass:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/soli...-interview-power-supplies-15.html#post1067745
advantage of dual bridge?
See Forr's post, 2 up from the one Dennis linked to.
Hint : balanced operation
Hi everyone, Recently i tried to plug my headphone into F5, and notice there is zyyyyyyyyyyyyy~ sound from one of the channel while another channel no such problem. What is the problem that might causing this. perhaps not ground issue because i am using star ground symmetrically on both channel.
I tend to move around the signal cables around and notice that the noise will going louder when i move it near to the heat-sink. But take in consideration of the other channel's signal wires is lay on heatsink, which has no problem at all.
I tried to measure the DC offset, it's just around 4~5mv something.
Any other way to troubleshoot?
Did you ground the heatsink?
_-_-bear
Troubleshooting
Thanks. Turned out the Fairchilds were cooked. Replaced them and seems to be biasing fine now.
Regards,
Stuart
check resistance of the center pin of the transistors to ground to make sure it is not 0.
Thanks. Turned out the Fairchilds were cooked. Replaced them and seems to be biasing fine now.
Regards,
Stuart
Hi everyone, Recently i tried to plug my headphone into F5, and notice there is zyyyyyyyyyyyyy~ sound from one of the channel while another channel no such problem. What is the problem that might causing this. perhaps not ground issue because i am using star ground symmetrically on both channel.
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Well, do your headphones have 3 wires? And where did you connect the wires to?
Thanks Dennis and jacco!
Here is a comment from Mr. Pass:
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/soli...-interview-power-supplies-15.html#post1067745
2SK246 / 2SJ103 -- how complementary ?
Further to my previous publication in post #8689,
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/121228-f5-power-amplifier-174.html#post2277700
this completes the story for now.
Patrick
Further to my previous publication in post #8689,
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/121228-f5-power-amplifier-174.html#post2277700
this completes the story for now.
Patrick
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Further to my previous publication in post #8689,
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/pass-labs/121228-f5-power-amplifier-174.html#post2277700
this completes the story for now.
Patrick
Thank you Patrick!
Per your graphs, all the more reason to operate these jfets at or very close to Idss...dissipation shouldn't be an issue as long as you keep Vds reasonable...say 9V thru 16V for our favorite BL grade.
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could you explain your reasoning for this conclusion?Per your graphs, all the more reason to operate these jfets at or very close to Idss..
If you have fairly good eyesight and can interpret graphs (hint: matched Idss)...then the picture should paint a thousand words🙂
I'm sorry, but I also don't understand how you get to that conclusion.
The first graph showed two Idss matched devices, so the bias current is the same if Vgs =0. But the characteristics are vastly different due to the different Yfs, and hence they cannot be considered as complementary IMHO.
The second graph showed two devices with different Idss. The one with degeneration has a deliberately chosen higher Idss so that they end up complementary after adding the 75 ohm source resistor. As such, you can operate them at any point and they are still complementary.
And incidentally, the JFETs in the F5 circuit do not operate at Idss, due to the 10 ohm resistor in parallel with the 50 ohm feedback resistor. At no signal, it is equivalent to a degeneration of ca. 8.3 ohm.
Perhaps you can explain your reasoning in a bit more detail.
Patrick
The first graph showed two Idss matched devices, so the bias current is the same if Vgs =0. But the characteristics are vastly different due to the different Yfs, and hence they cannot be considered as complementary IMHO.
The second graph showed two devices with different Idss. The one with degeneration has a deliberately chosen higher Idss so that they end up complementary after adding the 75 ohm source resistor. As such, you can operate them at any point and they are still complementary.
And incidentally, the JFETs in the F5 circuit do not operate at Idss, due to the 10 ohm resistor in parallel with the 50 ohm feedback resistor. At no signal, it is equivalent to a degeneration of ca. 8.3 ohm.
Perhaps you can explain your reasoning in a bit more detail.
Patrick
Are you kidding me? Two words...DC bias...you choose a bias point (on your graphs it looks like the Idss matched jfets are complementary at Idss -even without the magic Rsource) and you make sure it doesn't vary...Cascoding, CCS, Voltage Regulation, Class A bias, sweet spot, etc...basically NP's list.
In every design there's always a compromise...the F5 needs some feedback.
In every design there's always a compromise...the F5 needs some feedback.
the jFETs pass the same Id when the Idss has been selected or degenerated to be the same.it looks like the Idss matched jfets are complementary at Idss
That is not complementary nor matched.
The slope of the Id vs Vgs curve must also match at the chosen operational Id or range of Id that you plan to use.
It's actual Id AND Slope that make the selected pair into a matched pair.
the jFETs pass the same Id when the Idss has been selected or degenerated to be the same.
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Ok back to regular programming...
...... the picture should paint a thousand words🙂
I'm proud to admit that I am lost in the message here.Ok back to regular programming...
I need the thousand words to help me through this.
Plain english and solid reasoning would be appreciated.
I'd love to hear what Nelson Pass makes of this. To me, it all seems quite reasonable, what Patrick has demonstrated.
I can't believe this guy got this paper published. What this guy has published is year 10 or was it year 11 maths in high school.
Either engineers aren't as smart as what I thought they were or the guy's friend is the editor of the journal.
Anyway it does explain a little bit more about transconductance which might be useful here.
Here is the link.
http://technologyinterface.nmsu.edu/Fall09/Fall09/011.pdf
Either engineers aren't as smart as what I thought they were or the guy's friend is the editor of the journal.
Anyway it does explain a little bit more about transconductance which might be useful here.
Here is the link.
http://technologyinterface.nmsu.edu/Fall09/Fall09/011.pdf
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