I don't see why that is obvious, nor what document he's translating?
Because it doesn't say anything about this on the website.
maybe you can show us, because it's not on ARTA's website only in that forum post?
You're being extremely cryptic and vague at this point, so I have zero clue what you're talking about?
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It also seems to contradict what's being shared on the website"
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Hi b_force,
I discovered ARTA on the net in 2005 and was immediately impressed. Shortly afterwards I got in touch with Ivo and offered him support for the German-speaking countries. This resulted in the German manuals and it was in this context that I opened this thread.
Since I regularly go on sailing vacations in Croatia, it was only natural to meet up with Ivo. We've been seeing each other once a year since 2006 and Ivo has become a dear friend. At our meetings we naturally also talked about ARTA and I regularly got on his nerves with my requests (connection of a turntable, max SPL, linear deplacement, level calibration of LIMP, ...).
Late last summer, he informed me that he was going to stop maintaining ARTA. I regretted this very much, but I can understand his decision. ARTA has now reached a high level of maturity and will therefore certainly remain viable and competitive for a few more years without further maintenance.
Let's wish Ivo all the best for his well-deserved retirement
Regards
Heinrich (aka Ente)
PS: The statements regarding freeware and open source have been agreed with Ivo
I discovered ARTA on the net in 2005 and was immediately impressed. Shortly afterwards I got in touch with Ivo and offered him support for the German-speaking countries. This resulted in the German manuals and it was in this context that I opened this thread.
Since I regularly go on sailing vacations in Croatia, it was only natural to meet up with Ivo. We've been seeing each other once a year since 2006 and Ivo has become a dear friend. At our meetings we naturally also talked about ARTA and I regularly got on his nerves with my requests (connection of a turntable, max SPL, linear deplacement, level calibration of LIMP, ...).
Late last summer, he informed me that he was going to stop maintaining ARTA. I regretted this very much, but I can understand his decision. ARTA has now reached a high level of maturity and will therefore certainly remain viable and competitive for a few more years without further maintenance.
Let's wish Ivo all the best for his well-deserved retirement
Regards
Heinrich (aka Ente)
PS: The statements regarding freeware and open source have been agreed with Ivo
Hi Heinrich,
Thank you for clarification!
As for the statement regarding freeware it was a little unclear, since it just seemed to be a random post from another forum.
That's why it's important to know who is behind a certain post (and I most certainly don't track down every persons name etc, way to many to keep track of).
But thank you for explaining, that's appreciated!
100% agree that Ivo deserves all the best for his retirement!!!
Reason for my initial question was mostly because ARTA enters the status of abandonware soon.
Which can be a little unclear for people how to approach this from now on, as well as care has to be taken for proper and respectful preservation.
Misreading/miscommunication.
I didn't know what you were referring to with that sentence at all.
Even as it is regretable, the end of Arta is quite logical. ARTA is extremely mature, reliable and complete. Also, Windows 11 will be the end of more than one software.
Putting an end to sales with the end of support is very honorable. Quite some software is still on sale, even as the last Windows version that was running them without problems, has long expired and no service offered.
I can understand that Ivo does not lay open the source code, we would soon have lots of unreliable clones for sale I bet. Making it freeware would be a little unfair to anyone who paid good money for it. Anyway, the free version is enough for most hobbyist use.
I have used Arta from time to time, for many years, but never needed all the wonderfull and complicated functions it has. Mainly to check when my other programs showed funny data. With my personal way of working, some less academic software was faster for me. Now I think about finaly buying it for future use.
I stored some identical HP laptops with Windows XP, even with mixed success, as some harddrives failed. Now I think about doing the same with Win10 and Dell. Hope the SSD's will last longer.
Putting an end to sales with the end of support is very honorable. Quite some software is still on sale, even as the last Windows version that was running them without problems, has long expired and no service offered.
I can understand that Ivo does not lay open the source code, we would soon have lots of unreliable clones for sale I bet. Making it freeware would be a little unfair to anyone who paid good money for it. Anyway, the free version is enough for most hobbyist use.
I have used Arta from time to time, for many years, but never needed all the wonderfull and complicated functions it has. Mainly to check when my other programs showed funny data. With my personal way of working, some less academic software was faster for me. Now I think about finaly buying it for future use.
I stored some identical HP laptops with Windows XP, even with mixed success, as some harddrives failed. Now I think about doing the same with Win10 and Dell. Hope the SSD's will last longer.
You seem to have an awkward view on open source software. Do you speak from experience?
Cant believe I have just found this software and am a few weeks late to buying a licence. I have only recently started on my journey of DIY audio and designing / building my own enclosures. I have been using ARTA on the demo, visited the site to buy the licence this week and was met with the news. I have emailed asking to buy one on the off chance. I understand the reservations of giving it out as freeware. But, does anyone know if there is any way I can get my hands on a licence? I have already found this to be one of the most useful tools I have, truly gutted.
This is sad news but understandable - I believe Ivo was writing and maintaining ARTA singlehandedly as a side project / hobby and I did not realise just how long ago the first version was released...(time flies...)
I started using the unregistered version around 2010 and bought a license key in 2011, as the ability to save and load PIR's is actually a very useful feature and somewhat mandatory if you want to use the software "seriously" IMHO.
Sure, you can re-measure every time you want to view data in a new way, but it doesn't beat the ability to take ONE measurement, save the impulse response, and be able to load that impulse response back up at any time and analyse that data in so many different ways without re-measuring.
There is so much data encoded in an impulse response that is not represented by saving a frequency response overlay or any one of the dozen other ways you can view that impulse response.
I'm glad I did buy a license key before the program was retired - it's a fantastic piece of software with no peer in the same price range and all the speaker measurements I've taken since 2011 (hundreds) were done with ARTA and have saved impulse responses.
Fingers crossed that the software continues to remain usable in Windows 11 (I haven't crossed the Windows 11 Rubicon yet on my home PC / laptop) and it's a shame that the reins have not been handed over to someone else for "maintenance" and to allow licenses to continue to be sold, but it is what it is I suppose.
For anyone hoping that ARTA would ever be open sourced, I just can't see that happening because ASIO drivers (which are pretty essential to get good phase results and accurate timing and properly support high end sound cards) require licensing from Steinberg, and no Open Source projects include ASIO directly for this reason.
The best we could ever hope for is if an update was released at some point in the future well past the end of the commercial life of the product that removed the license key requirement and unlocked full functionality.
Anyway, thanks to Ivo for this great piece of software which I'll continue to use for as long as I can.
I started using the unregistered version around 2010 and bought a license key in 2011, as the ability to save and load PIR's is actually a very useful feature and somewhat mandatory if you want to use the software "seriously" IMHO.
Sure, you can re-measure every time you want to view data in a new way, but it doesn't beat the ability to take ONE measurement, save the impulse response, and be able to load that impulse response back up at any time and analyse that data in so many different ways without re-measuring.
There is so much data encoded in an impulse response that is not represented by saving a frequency response overlay or any one of the dozen other ways you can view that impulse response.
I'm glad I did buy a license key before the program was retired - it's a fantastic piece of software with no peer in the same price range and all the speaker measurements I've taken since 2011 (hundreds) were done with ARTA and have saved impulse responses.
Fingers crossed that the software continues to remain usable in Windows 11 (I haven't crossed the Windows 11 Rubicon yet on my home PC / laptop) and it's a shame that the reins have not been handed over to someone else for "maintenance" and to allow licenses to continue to be sold, but it is what it is I suppose.
For anyone hoping that ARTA would ever be open sourced, I just can't see that happening because ASIO drivers (which are pretty essential to get good phase results and accurate timing and properly support high end sound cards) require licensing from Steinberg, and no Open Source projects include ASIO directly for this reason.
The best we could ever hope for is if an update was released at some point in the future well past the end of the commercial life of the product that removed the license key requirement and unlocked full functionality.
Anyway, thanks to Ivo for this great piece of software which I'll continue to use for as long as I can.
I'm just happy the new multitone distortion functionalities made it into the latest versions. Being able to export distortion data in ASCII and load them as target curves, as well as load them in other softwares, makes it very easy to compare speakers.
There's some bug reports and feature requests still open, like towards the end of page 70 of this thread. A CEA-2010 Max. SPL routine would have been nice to add to STEPS as well; especially seeing how REW's is bugged out for me. But, well, most of what's important is there.
There's some bug reports and feature requests still open, like towards the end of page 70 of this thread. A CEA-2010 Max. SPL routine would have been nice to add to STEPS as well; especially seeing how REW's is bugged out for me. But, well, most of what's important is there.