Hey Hey,
I'm considering a short range radio transmitter & receiver to use instead of a guitar lead. My interest is primarily for fun and to stop me tripping over. There are no specifics yet... but it’s quite logical to assume min bandwidth is 70Hz --> 7.5 kHz and range is less than 50 Meters also the transmitter will have to be battery powered.
I didn't pay too much attention in communications lectures and it was some time ago. If any of you know of websites on which I could begin researching or books that are particularly useful I would appreciate it.
I've been through my old university comms texts; they're great on the theory (maths), and sadly rather easy on the practical implementation...
I know this is probably not legal in the UK... but I am only considering... 😀
James
I'm considering a short range radio transmitter & receiver to use instead of a guitar lead. My interest is primarily for fun and to stop me tripping over. There are no specifics yet... but it’s quite logical to assume min bandwidth is 70Hz --> 7.5 kHz and range is less than 50 Meters also the transmitter will have to be battery powered.
I didn't pay too much attention in communications lectures and it was some time ago. If any of you know of websites on which I could begin researching or books that are particularly useful I would appreciate it.
I've been through my old university comms texts; they're great on the theory (maths), and sadly rather easy on the practical implementation...
I know this is probably not legal in the UK... but I am only considering... 😀
James
The company I work for, Lectrosonics, makes systems for guitar and also for voice. I'm not an engineer, but I can give you a couple of pointers:
1. The audio bandwidth you need is greater than what you supposed in your post. For electric guitar, we have measured meaningful signals down to about 40Hz and up to about 15kHz. Admittedly, you could "get away" with less than that, but you'd be missing things that are very easily transferred by even a cheap cable.
The reason for this is that there are "extra-musical" sounds from an electric guitar on the low end, particularly if you do things like mute the strings at the bridge and go "chunka chunka chunka" as is done so often with rock and metal. Also, the upper harmonics give the sound "sparkle" and help to define the attack on the notes. Without transmisson of signals above 10kHz, the effect would sound a little "dull". this would be most noticeable with a clean guitar sound.
2. How the signal is handled between transmitter and receiver is important. Most wireless systems use a compandor to reduce the dynamic range before transmission and expand it in the receiver, to overcome channel noise. Part of this is because the government specifies how much power we can use (in mW) and how much deviation you can have in your FM system. The result is that due to the companded signal, the sound tends to be a tad "mushy" and distorted by the time it makes it to your amp.
Since you are only *considering* a system, you might want to look at a really wide-band FM system with, say, 150kHz of deviation. Most likely, you could get away without a compandor. However, you would indeed be breaking the law.
-Karl
1. The audio bandwidth you need is greater than what you supposed in your post. For electric guitar, we have measured meaningful signals down to about 40Hz and up to about 15kHz. Admittedly, you could "get away" with less than that, but you'd be missing things that are very easily transferred by even a cheap cable.
The reason for this is that there are "extra-musical" sounds from an electric guitar on the low end, particularly if you do things like mute the strings at the bridge and go "chunka chunka chunka" as is done so often with rock and metal. Also, the upper harmonics give the sound "sparkle" and help to define the attack on the notes. Without transmisson of signals above 10kHz, the effect would sound a little "dull". this would be most noticeable with a clean guitar sound.
2. How the signal is handled between transmitter and receiver is important. Most wireless systems use a compandor to reduce the dynamic range before transmission and expand it in the receiver, to overcome channel noise. Part of this is because the government specifies how much power we can use (in mW) and how much deviation you can have in your FM system. The result is that due to the companded signal, the sound tends to be a tad "mushy" and distorted by the time it makes it to your amp.
Since you are only *considering* a system, you might want to look at a really wide-band FM system with, say, 150kHz of deviation. Most likely, you could get away without a compandor. However, you would indeed be breaking the law.
-Karl
You can buy them these days pretty cheaply, especially as you really want a diversity system to avoid signal drop out, adding extra complications.
Hi,
Im also looking at building myself a wireless audio transmitter for my guitar to amp.
My design is based around the 2.4GHz transmitter and receiver pair from Nordic.
Im am only halfway there. I am posting schematics and layouts on my website http://www.kandi-electronics.com. Have a look and see what you think. If you see any errors in the schematics let me know.
Regards
Iain
Im also looking at building myself a wireless audio transmitter for my guitar to amp.
My design is based around the 2.4GHz transmitter and receiver pair from Nordic.
Im am only halfway there. I am posting schematics and layouts on my website http://www.kandi-electronics.com. Have a look and see what you think. If you see any errors in the schematics let me know.
Regards
Iain
Hi IDerrington:
Whats up?
I'm interested in a wireless guitar transmitter also. I've visited your site seeking the schematics, didn't find it. Can you post me a link for the completed project?
Thanks
Meth
Whats up?
I'm interested in a wireless guitar transmitter also. I've visited your site seeking the schematics, didn't find it. Can you post me a link for the completed project?
Thanks
Meth
I have a real low-budget rock-bottom ghetto approach to this: My daughter has a number of guitars, some of which are good quality and some of which are "beaters". This is for her own use around the house with one of her beaters, a Chen Yi guitar that I got at a garage sale for $20 (actually a pretty good guitar).
The main purpose is being able to move around without tripping over wires, so I have modified a Fisher-Price baby monitor with the transmitter taken out of its case and buried in the guitar. The slide switches can be moved with a key, but I intend to drill the case at some point where there is no acoustic resonance and install miniature toggle switches and a small battery holder, which I have not done yet.
The receiver can be connected to a proper amplifier as the monitor electronics was never intended to reproduce anything remotely close to high fidelity, but there is no doubt better fidelity ahead of the output amplifier.
The electronics in the units (once you get rid of the cheesy plastic cases) appears to be reasonably high quality.
You can modify the electronics to achieve pretty well any frequency response you want. The monitor was $2 at a garage sale and offers two frequencies to avoid interference.
So something designed to listen to
leaves me 😀
The main purpose is being able to move around without tripping over wires, so I have modified a Fisher-Price baby monitor with the transmitter taken out of its case and buried in the guitar. The slide switches can be moved with a key, but I intend to drill the case at some point where there is no acoustic resonance and install miniature toggle switches and a small battery holder, which I have not done yet.
The receiver can be connected to a proper amplifier as the monitor electronics was never intended to reproduce anything remotely close to high fidelity, but there is no doubt better fidelity ahead of the output amplifier.
The electronics in the units (once you get rid of the cheesy plastic cases) appears to be reasonably high quality.
You can modify the electronics to achieve pretty well any frequency response you want. The monitor was $2 at a garage sale and offers two frequencies to avoid interference.
So something designed to listen to
leaves me 😀Wireless guitar system for under 100$
Hi!
I know this site call Wireless Speakers Reviews and they have there a review for the Audio-Technica ATW-251 Freeway VHF Guitar Wireless System I bought mine from there in 99$. The wireless system works great and it's pretty cheap, so I think it's good for you.
Enjoy
Hi!
I know this site call Wireless Speakers Reviews and they have there a review for the Audio-Technica ATW-251 Freeway VHF Guitar Wireless System I bought mine from there in 99$. The wireless system works great and it's pretty cheap, so I think it's good for you.
Enjoy
To be legal in the UK you would have to use type-approved equipment in the correct frequency band, as used for radio mikes. VHF and UHF FM are used; from memory its around 173MHz and 860MHz but you can check with Google. Second-hand stuff often appears on ebay at various price levels - but check that people are not just offloading stuff which is no longer UK legal since a frequency change was introduced. The better stuff will use companding and diversity reception, but this does increase the price.
As far as I am aware there is no way to legally DIY this in the UK; at least, not the Tx end.
As far as I am aware there is no way to legally DIY this in the UK; at least, not the Tx end.
And it will likely cost you more than just buying one. More fun to build, sure, but not real easy (or cheap) to get it right.
I built AM and FM guitar transmitters when I was a kid, but the intent was to be able to play guitar on the stereo receiver. Both suffered from dropouts, were analog, and did not have dual diversity antennas & dual first RF stages.
The commercial pro stuff gets better all the time, and pros use them now. Still, I consider the interaction between pickup and first preamp stage so critical I would never use one. In fact, I've moved my preamp to the floor (or into the guitar).
You should consider digital spread-spectrum or dual diversity antennas each with its own first RF stage. You may get better sonic results with powered active pickups, where you can already audition that critical interaction between pickups and first stage.
The commercial pro stuff gets better all the time, and pros use them now. Still, I consider the interaction between pickup and first preamp stage so critical I would never use one. In fact, I've moved my preamp to the floor (or into the guitar).
You should consider digital spread-spectrum or dual diversity antennas each with its own first RF stage. You may get better sonic results with powered active pickups, where you can already audition that critical interaction between pickups and first stage.
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