There’s the ESS hump
then AKM is trying to get back on its feet and is considered soft sounding.…..
why don’t DAC manufacturers use other chipsets like Cirrus or TI or something else?
i don’t get it.
out of a bunch of DACs I tried. The Topping D30pro which uses the newest Cirrus chip sounded most natural. Lacked weight and punch, but I think that was just toppings fault at a sh$$ty implementation.
so why all the fuss around ESS and AKM when nothing new in DACs which use these sounds so good?
cheers
then AKM is trying to get back on its feet and is considered soft sounding.…..
why don’t DAC manufacturers use other chipsets like Cirrus or TI or something else?
i don’t get it.
out of a bunch of DACs I tried. The Topping D30pro which uses the newest Cirrus chip sounded most natural. Lacked weight and punch, but I think that was just toppings fault at a sh$$ty implementation.
so why all the fuss around ESS and AKM when nothing new in DACs which use these sounds so good?
cheers
What makes you think:
a. the only way to make a DAC is with a manufacturer's chipset?
b. only ESS and AKM are being used by most other manufacturers' than Topping?
It's a bit of a rhetorical question each, but worth thinking about - those assumption need revisiting.
a. the only way to make a DAC is with a manufacturer's chipset?
b. only ESS and AKM are being used by most other manufacturers' than Topping?
It's a bit of a rhetorical question each, but worth thinking about - those assumption need revisiting.
no they don’t.
most DACs are DS and are based on those two chipsets.
want to count them?
this has nothing to do with what a DAC can be made of.
we are talking 80% of DACs now use ESS mostly and AKM.
want to refute that?
or want to stay on topic ?
They do. Just TI hasn't put out anything new in the past several years. PCM179X is still top-of-the-line for them. They've done an R2R but that's not gained any traction subjectively. Given ESS and AKM are on-going in development its quite natural that when new chips appear, designers are eager to use them.
As for 'something else' - not heard of FPGAs? Plenty of mid-to-high end DAC manufacturers are using them.
I agree with @YashN, your assumptions could use a re-visit.
how many DAC manufacturers use FPGAs?
off the shelf chips?
almost all manufacturers use them.
and most are ESS.
few AKM since the fire
I just hear all this talk about the ESS hump and quite honestly I haven’t heard a good ESS DAC yet. Apart from the benchmark DAC3. And that was ok.
want me to actually make a list of all DAC makers who use ESS chips??
is your ego that big?
Geezus with this place
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Was it not here about "How to win People and influence friends" by Carnage J. ?
Is there a DAC that has the right "timbre" for you?
Abraxalito is probably as right as can be... + specification numbers... 😉
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Abraxalito is probably as right as can be... + specification numbers... 😉
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yes as a matter of fact.
Marantz HD DAC1
the topping D30pro was pretty darn good as well
do you have any music training though?
played any instruments and studied them?
not being snarky , but that is super important of course on being able to tell the real deal from DAC/stereo
i mean it’s like saying you know what the sun looks like without ever going outside.
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Why ask me about that? I have no questions or claims...
I use EQ so not dependent on individual DACs signatures - I just get the absolute lowest distorting ones and tune the system to my liking.
It works very well and sounds like Stockholm Concert Hall - 10th row - no problem. But OK, I have played the drums, sung in a choir and have season subscription to classical concerts. Do I qualify to interact with you?
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I use EQ so not dependent on individual DACs signatures - I just get the absolute lowest distorting ones and tune the system to my liking.
It works very well and sounds like Stockholm Concert Hall - 10th row - no problem. But OK, I have played the drums, sung in a choir and have season subscription to classical concerts. Do I qualify to interact with you?
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Quite a lot of 2nd in that one - this probably your sugar.
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/...tz-hd-amp1-dac-and-integrated-amplifier.6341/
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Really on the limit - but I have a hunch that yes perhaps - in the "right" circumstance... - probably not as "ohh, it distorts" .. but perhaps as "timbre"?
But look also at the thd+n vs freq at 5W... there we see more like 0,1% / -40 dB!?
I don't know how @tone? used it...? Perhaps as line level out only (if possible)....
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But look also at the thd+n vs freq at 5W... there we see more like 0,1% / -40 dB!?
I don't know how @tone? used it...? Perhaps as line level out only (if possible)....
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