I had the 1808, and I was looking at the 2145 closely, but I went in other directions.........
For the money, 2145 looks like something good to play with.
Deep cone to me usually means tighter dispersion than a normal 8".
For the money, 2145 looks like something good to play with.
Deep cone to me usually means tighter dispersion than a normal 8".
Of interest, in the previous issue German speaker diy magazine Hobby Hifi they published quite a few driver tests and full range designs, including an interesting horn for the 2145. The box has a helmhotz resonator. The magazine recommends an rlc filter as well.
Very cool looking design actually:
http://www.hobbyhifi.de/hh175_titel.pdf
Very cool looking design actually:
http://www.hobbyhifi.de/hh175_titel.pdf
I have the smaller W5-2143 and it sounds very very good in an XKi. Deep bass like you would not believe possible from a 5in and nice smooth mids and reaching highs.
(that little Eckhorn18 is cool !) - X, how's 2145's specs for an XKi? 1772 required 60 liter airspace
I recommend that issue of hobby hifi linked above, the horn for the 2145 looks like a good design, and there are a few other full range horn designs in the magazine and tests of several FR drivers.
XKi is a speaker alignment that I developed using a 6th order bandpass with a Karlson aperture:
XKi - X's ab initio Karlson 6th Order Bandpass
It provides deep well-controlled bass from a compact enclosure (with appropriate driver) with excellent cone control to reduce cone movement an distortion, while having wide dispersion and snappy dynamics that Karlson K15's are known for.
XKi - X's ab initio Karlson 6th Order Bandpass
It provides deep well-controlled bass from a compact enclosure (with appropriate driver) with excellent cone control to reduce cone movement an distortion, while having wide dispersion and snappy dynamics that Karlson K15's are known for.
I am running the W5 in the recommended 0.2 foot sealed enclosure.
Bass rolls off below 150Hz as expected. Highs are just OK for me. Mids are excellent - really nice for sax and guitar and voice.
Bass rolls off below 150Hz as expected. Highs are just OK for me. Mids are excellent - really nice for sax and guitar and voice.
I'd sell you my 1808s. They have been sitting in my closet for about a year and are in perfect condition.
Hey- I might be interested in your 1808's. Send me a pm if you're interested in selling them.
Damn, came here to see if the 1808s are worth the price over the 2145s, and see a pair for sale...sadly I'm in the wrong country (Germany). Oh well, I've heard that the 2145s have a pretty deep drop at 10k, but have only heard positives about its sound - is it even noticeable?
I've just put the 2145s on a 70L BR box / 50Hz tuned, not optimal but already built. The tonal balance is really good, a bit strong at 5K 7K but still really listenable, the dispersion is quite good for a 8" driver, and the stage is great.
Mids are to die for.
Highs are accurate and "there", no noticeable drops.
Far better than the Betsy I owned before, and I loved them.
I've bought a miniDSP mic, measurements soon, I will build a MLTL ASAP.
These 2145 rock.
regards,
seb
Mids are to die for.
Highs are accurate and "there", no noticeable drops.
Far better than the Betsy I owned before, and I loved them.
I've bought a miniDSP mic, measurements soon, I will build a MLTL ASAP.
These 2145 rock.
regards,
seb
The Betsy's are good, but you need a BSC, Zobel and a notch. It's not a big deal . The dispersion is not as good as the TB
I repair tube amps, so I meet audiophiles with big systems like Flagship DUNTECH, JMR, ALTEC and so on.
These always been mind blown by the Betsy's in the WIBAQs (With EQ, and after BSC, zobel and notch). No kidding.
The soundstage and the "only one HP thing" are the strong suits of the fullrange driver. I could see in their eyes "WTF I paid XXXXX$ for a system and that thing rocks for a couple of bucks"
Some "audiophiles" don't know a sh*t about sound, they just have big bucks, and put their speakers at the wrong place. Or electrically out of phase. True. Better is system you can afford and some knowledge.
Fullrangers are really good with voices and few instruments, moderate volume.
Betsy's are really nice once "tuned", TB are awesome right out the box.
regards,
seb
sorry once again for my poor english, I eat frogs.
I repair tube amps, so I meet audiophiles with big systems like Flagship DUNTECH, JMR, ALTEC and so on.
These always been mind blown by the Betsy's in the WIBAQs (With EQ, and after BSC, zobel and notch). No kidding.
The soundstage and the "only one HP thing" are the strong suits of the fullrange driver. I could see in their eyes "WTF I paid XXXXX$ for a system and that thing rocks for a couple of bucks"
Some "audiophiles" don't know a sh*t about sound, they just have big bucks, and put their speakers at the wrong place. Or electrically out of phase. True. Better is system you can afford and some knowledge.
Fullrangers are really good with voices and few instruments, moderate volume.
Betsy's are really nice once "tuned", TB are awesome right out the box.
regards,
seb
sorry once again for my poor english, I eat frogs.
I have wanted to make the WIBAQ but the size has always been a bit intimidating. Great to hear that it can crush big dollar audiophile systems. 😀
Thanks for the nice passive BSC/Zobel/notch design. This really helps.
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