I was recently reading the excellent F5 article in 6moons. A couple of the hi-res pictures show the thermistors clearly NOT mounted to anything. Just sitting in mid-air supported by their leads.
Shouldn't they be mounted, alongside their corresponding power transitors, on a sink to thermally track together?
What's going on?
Shouldn't they be mounted, alongside their corresponding power transitors, on a sink to thermally track together?
What's going on?
Hello NV&H, The thermistors are installed correctly in the F5. If you look at the schematic for the F5 (www.firstwatt.com), you will see that the thermistors are used for limiting the inrush surge current when the amp is first turned on. They aren't being used as any sort of temp. compensation for the output stage.
Peace,
Dave
Peace,
Dave
I understand that the 4,7k-themistors are mounted near to the place where the temperature rise is produced by the output MOSFETs for the thermistors to sense the temperature rise. Then, the thermistors sense the temp rise and reduce the bias of the MOSFETs. Finally, the temperature and the bias level would reach to the steady-state equilibrium.
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Actually they work both ways. Obviously the response time is
quicker if you glue them to the top of the devices.
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quicker if you glue them to the top of the devices.
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Whoops, my mistake, I didn't see that there is a set of thermistors in the actual amp schematic. I was only thinking of the thermistors in the schematic of the power supply.
Sorry about that.
Peace,
Dave
Sorry about that.
Peace,
Dave
Nelson Pass said:
. . . M . . . ! I was wasting my time to keep the distance of the precision-2mm from the heat sinks for my F5 . . .
Cheers,
It's already noted in the F5 thread. The said picture from 6moons site clearly shows that NTC is mounted close to middle pin of MOSFET, the DRAIN, which is also the back of the MOSFET and bolted to the heatsink. So, you got NTC very close to hot pin - that's the thermal coupling you were looking for.
The pic, once again:
The pic, once again:
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I had a problematic F5 which I've just gotten around to repairing. I had hooked it up to my FFT analyzer set on "repeat mode" -- and you could see the harmonics change over time as the thermistor was moved the tiniest bit. I just glued the thermistors to the drain with 3M "3779" Hot Melt adhesive. As Elwood said in The Blues Brothers "It's glue, it's strong stuff".
Jack,
Thank you for the adhesive recommendation. That looks like good stuff.
I'm building an F5 turbo at the moment and am going to try these under the head of the transistor mounting bolt.
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Graeme
Thank you for the adhesive recommendation. That looks like good stuff.
I'm building an F5 turbo at the moment and am going to try these under the head of the transistor mounting bolt.
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Graeme
boyz , you're splittin' da hair
put them where you want , as long they're firm in place , with steady and good thermal contact with mosfet's case
are they glued or not ..... 0.1 or 3mm from mosfet - who cares - it will just slightly alter cold offset/bias
put them where you want , as long they're firm in place , with steady and good thermal contact with mosfet's case
are they glued or not ..... 0.1 or 3mm from mosfet - who cares - it will just slightly alter cold offset/bias
I think it just needs to be good enough to keep the output transistor temps reasonable. It's an F5 turbo and I'm changing a number of resistor values per the article. So I've bought some 3K and 2k thermistors as well, and am preparing myself for some serious tweeking.
I can't recall that a specific thermistor was called out by Nelson. Was it?
gl
I can't recall that a specific thermistor was called out by Nelson. Was it?
gl
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Is the screw on top the ideal place for the thermistor?
I guess the thermistor will do it's job anywhere on the case of the transistor?
I guess the thermistor will do it's job anywhere on the case of the transistor?
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