terrorist?

[Daniel-A]

hi
heard something on tv yesterday. i don't remember who said that but i will try to translate the best i can. "Why you terrorist strapping bomb on your chest to blow yourself and the restaurant in that nerbourhood?"" Because we don't have the power and the money to have an army. Give us airplane, tank, destroyer, etc and we will be able to blow the whole city and the restaurant!"
p.s. FBI,CIA,RCMP, i'm not that terrorist, i only know that is dead!

Daniel-A.

 

[millwood]

Give us airplane, tank, destroyer, etc and we will be able to blow the whole city and the restaurant!"

Daniel-A.

and some of us still wonder why we should control the proliferation of WMD?

🙂

 

[SY]

Lovely regard for human life.

 

[Daniel-A]

instead of destroying human life maybe we should destroy all massive destruction arm!
what is wmd is it the same thing?
daniel-a

 

[millwood]

instead of destroying human life maybe we should destroy all massive destruction arm!

absolutely.

Let's also not forget about cancer, aids, hunger, unhappiness, divorce, poverty, flood, overcast, rainy days, too cold, too hot, too much water, too little water, not enough sunshine, too much sunshine, you name.

The point?

None of us work in a world where we have unlimited resources to make everything perfect. We would love to live in a world where everyone loves everybody else.

But we don't. so we strive for the 2nd best solution: we try to prevent the bad guys from gaining access to wmd. You will ask who decides who is bad and who is good.

Power does that. In some of the dark days the bad guys had control over their equivalent of wmd. that''s sad.

Now, we can only hope that a rationale and hopefully stable state holds the power. Is the US perfect? far from it. Will I sleep better if the US holds WMD vs. if OBL does? you bet.

 

[SY]

instead of destroying human life maybe we should destroy all massive destruction arm!
what is wmd is it the same thing?
daniel-a

If only life were that simple!

 

[TugaTweaker]

terrorist ?

Hi all !

In the sixties here in Portugal ,we had an fascist dictator
Salazar who called terrorists to the African freedoom movements .
Today we see Israel calling terrorists to those who fight the way
they can their land's occupation .

We see USA invading arab countries without permission to " free" and " teach" democracy ( hope not in Latin America's way ) and we feel that these alibis are designed to achieve other targets at the cost of this river of blood we are watching .

What i feel tragic and freightning is to observe that about fifty percent of the Americans agreed , understands , and are ready to fight terrorism the way Ariel Sharon does " an eye for an eye , a teeth for a teeth " The jews and his bible that belongs to anthropology to me . We all know the human kind must have evoluted enough to solve these problems another way .

1st . We dont need petrol anymore , we have electric power .

2nd . We cannt agree but we must respect other peoples way

of life . ( Good . Don't need to kill more indians and that
you know already )


Lets pray for the USA to have a decent President.

Let us pray !!!

 

[millwood]

Re: terrorist ?

1st . We dont need petrol anymore , we have electric power .

but where does electricity come from? 🙂

2nd . We cannt agree but we must respect other peoples way
of life . ( Good . Don't need to kill more indians and that
you know already )

what if that "lifestyle" means you have to live their lifestyle?

 

[TugaTweaker]

...but where does electricity come from?

Millwood . Its time to clean our planet or mankind will perish .
Nuclear power must be used peacefully by all , including arabs .
Or you mean they are suspicious ? Who used it a time in Hiroshima can use it again more likely . Its the killer instinct you know .

...what if that "lifestyle" means you have to live their lifestyle?

You mean the american lifestyle ?! ... Those who aren't with us are against us ...
Why bother fighting talibans , when dogma, censorship , lies and propaganda are beeing apllied with sucess (more than 50% rate) to the american people .

 

[millwood]

...but where does electricity come from?

Millwood . Its time to clean our planet or mankind will perish .
Nuclear power must be used peacefully by all , including arabs .

the bulk of the electricity is generated via either coal (a huge pollutant generator) or oil fired power plants (petro in other words), or gas turbines (a petro-like product). It is ignorant to say that we don't need petro because we have electricity, 🙂

Or you mean they are suspicious ? Who used it a time in Hiroshima can use it again more likely . Its the killer instinct you know .

I am all for the use of nuclear bombs in Hiroshima. To me, they saved a lot of lives (Japanese, Americans and others) by bringing the war to a speedy end. My only regret is that it was used earlier. I would point to Hiroshima as examples where if properly used WMD can save lives.

Looking back to the years of cold wars, I think had not been for the davastating destructive power of the necluear weapons of the USSR and US (and their understanding of what a war would have meant to each), we might have a few more world wars in between those years.

Plus, the complete weakening of Europe plays a key role here: afterall, those guys had started two world wars in a short few decades.

Of course, the Americans are 100% responsible for the European's inability to keep firing at each other.

 

[TugaTweaker]

Terrorist?

I am all for the use of nuclear bombs in Hiroshima. To me, they saved a lot of lives (Japanese, Americans and others) by bringing the war to a speedy end. My only regret is that it was used earlier. I would point to Hiroshima as examples where if properly used WMD can save lives.

Then only USA are trusted to have such a power , God gave it .
God and Alah . Alah and God . God loves America . God bless America . What the hell is Allah supposed to do , will he do the same ? Maybe Bin Laden got the power from Alah ... as compensation .

People let the show begin !!! God vs Allah .

We know God is good , he moved to USA .

Allah supports Bin Laden take care . And the rule is :

" An eye for an eye , a teeth for a teeth "

No winner , no problem lets build a giant wall just because

different lifestyles create terrorists .

 

[ace3000_1]

the bulk of the electricity is generated via either coal (a huge pollutant generator) or oil fired power plants (petro in other words), or gas turbines (a petro-like product). It is ignorant to say that we don't need petro because we have electricity,

Not realy cos its ignorant of those governments who dont support wind generaters, solar power and hydro plants.

The sun, water and air is all we need to create electricity, and there are other ways aswell, ie: volcanic heat.

I dont know where you got gas turbines from, (typicaly a jet engine), they are steam turbines and run from steam produced by boilers that are gas powerd, nuclear powerd, and coal powerd.

 

[millwood]

Not realy cos its ignorant of those governments who dont support wind generaters, solar power and hydro plants.

The sun, water and air is all we need to create electricity, and there are other ways aswell, ie: volcanic heat.

sure. there are other forms of electricity. How much are you willing to pay?

here are some numbers from a research report (for cost of generating electricity in the US. Of course, those numbers are average and rough estimates):

gas: 6 cents / kwh;
coal (lagacy): 7-8 c;
oil: 7-8c;
coal (new): 11-15 c;
wind: 85c+;
solar: 3-4 dollar and over;

in the northeast, electricity ranges from 8 cents / kwh to about 25 cents /kwh depending on usage.

so if we were to switch to wind for all of our electricty, we are essentially 3x - 10x of our electricty costs; solar? 10x - 50x.

How much more are you willing to pay for your electricity? how about your neighbors?

It is nice to be able to use wind, or solar power (volcanic power would be even cooler). But at what price?

Nuclear power is the only viable long-term solution. It is safe, clean and recycalable. and there is an abundance of nuclear fuels. we understand fission very well. we are making headways towards controled fussion. Rather than littler our beautiful landscape with ugly windmills, let's put that money into building better and more efficient nuclear power plants and fussion research.

I dont know where you got gas turbines from, (typicaly of a jet engine), they are steam turbines and run from steam produced by boilers that are gas powerd, nuclear powerd, and coal powerd.

most of the merchant power plants in the us are on gas tubines. Those are essentially land-based jet engines on gas. They can be quickly turned on and off and built in the remote desert to fill peak demands. GE and Sun are two of the largest suppliers in this business. and that had been GE's growth engine until the market crashed in 2001.

I suggest seriously that you update your knowledge on this.

 

[ace3000_1]

Those are essentially land-based jet engines on gas.

Huh, never knew that, that cant be very eficient as jet engines chew gas like you wouldnt believe it, not to mention speed and wear and tear.

As regards to money, yep your dead right, money is the issue, but if there wer more solar generators, more wind generaters and more hydroplants, the power would be cheaper OVER TIME. But then we have the argument of the cost for switching all over from current power stations over to the new, and beleive me thats not a small operation.

My question is, when the world does run out of crude oil, are we prepared to take the next step? in my eyes no, we are un prepared.

Getting back to money, if no country had to build bombs, there would be more then enough money to maybe fix our roads, and have beter/ cheaper services, maybe a few less homless to boot.
But its not like this now, and we cant change the evolution back, however we can plan our future somwhat.

 

[millwood]

As regards to money, yep your dead right, money is the issue, but if there wer more solar generators, more wind generaters and more hydroplants, the power would be cheaper OVER TIME.

even that, there is no assurance that they will be cost competitive with existing technology.

But then we have the argument of the cost for switching all over from current power stations over to the new, and beleive me thats not a small operation.

the biggest problem with alternative energy sources, even if we could get it cost competitive, is dependability. We not only need electricity. More importantly, we need electricity 24x7. That would simply eliminate wind, solar and hydro as the primary source of electricity for us.

Getting back to money, if no country had to build bombs, there would be more then enough money to maybe fix our roads, and have beter/ cheaper services, maybe a few less homless to boot.

but that's not realistic. it is like saying that if we are all 100% healthy, we could save all those money in healthcare and R&D, 🙂

a nice picture to dream about but not exactly useful in our every day life.

 

[millwood]

for hydro, don't forget about its environmental costs.

and the same can be said about wind power as well (it is a different kind of environmental pollution).

 

[SY]

Nuclear power is the only viable long-term solution. It is safe, clean and recycalable. and there is an abundance of nuclear fuels. we understand fission very well. we are making headways towards controled fussion. Rather than littler our beautiful landscape with ugly windmills, let's put that money into building better and more efficient nuclear power plants and fussion research.

Have you ever read John McPhee's "Curve of Binding Energy"?

 

[ace3000_1]

but that's not realistic. it is like saying that if we are all 100% healthy, we could save all those money in healthcare and R&D,

Well put it this way and this is what i meant, if no one did build bombs then they obviously would have more money to go on more useful resorces, thats a fact.

the biggest problem with alternative energy sources, even if we could get it cost competitive, is dependability. We not only need electricity. More importantly, we need electricity 24x7. That would simply eliminate wind, solar and hydro as the primary source of electricity for us.

Tides and dams run at night, so does wind, wind and the sun are debatible, even tides are debatible at some point, but certainly the sun can be used during the day to somwhat cut the cost of the fuel in the current systems, weather this being money or resources.

Put it this way, the sun is free, oil isnt, it isnt on production nor for our breathable air supply. Its the companies who charge for the solar panels and maintence that makes solar power more exspensive, again, governments and globilisation.

Nuclear power is the only viable long-term solution. It is safe, clean and recycalable. and there is an abundance of nuclear fuels. we understand fission very well. we are making headways towards controled fussion. Rather than littler our beautiful landscape with ugly windmills, let's put that money into building better and more efficient nuclear power plants and fussion research.

Well so you say, ever heard of nuclear waste dumped at sea? oh yeah, this still goes on and we eat this waste in our fish, along with manny lubricants that come from the cooling system in the plant.

Windmills are no more of a polution than a building in your city, or a house, the human kind is a polution to this earth on its own, and is getting worse everyday.

At that note im going to leave it at that as i beleive we are going off topic.

 

[millwood]

Have you ever read John McPhee's "Curve of Binding Energy"?

haven't. What does it say?

 

[SY]

It really centers around Ted Taylor, one of the Manhattan Project gurus. Taylor's obsession is the idea that the dangers from the physics of nuclear power can be engineered out. The dangers of security are much more profound. The book was written probably 35 years ago, and is truer today than McPhee could have imagined.