Hello,
As you might know the Sony SACD XB940 will not play CD-copies,
only original CD' s according to the Red book code. I wonder if there is a way out here.
CD-copies do not seem to be according to this red book, I understand. Now a software programma like FX Magic Music claims the feature to burn CD' s that obey the Red book.
Do you have experience with making CD-copies with a Red book profile?
Best regards, Arjen.
As you might know the Sony SACD XB940 will not play CD-copies,
only original CD' s according to the Red book code. I wonder if there is a way out here.
CD-copies do not seem to be according to this red book, I understand. Now a software programma like FX Magic Music claims the feature to burn CD' s that obey the Red book.
Do you have experience with making CD-copies with a Red book profile?
Best regards, Arjen.
Hello Arjen,
BTW, are you THE Arjen ? 😉
Your SACD XB940 might just be unable to deal with the physical CD-R...something to do with reflective layers.
My mate has a Sony SACD DVD 9000ES that doesn't play CD-R's.
But when he burns on CD-RW's they just play fine. You might want to give that a try and tell us your results.
I had a Samsung DVD-709 once, that only played certain types of CD-R's, but even then reading the TOC and tracking were slow and unreliable.
BTW, are you THE Arjen ? 😉
Your SACD XB940 might just be unable to deal with the physical CD-R...something to do with reflective layers.
My mate has a Sony SACD DVD 9000ES that doesn't play CD-R's.
But when he burns on CD-RW's they just play fine. You might want to give that a try and tell us your results.
I had a Samsung DVD-709 once, that only played certain types of CD-R's, but even then reading the TOC and tracking were slow and unreliable.
many CD players dislike CD-R's written at high speeds. Try buring the CDs at the lowest speed your burner offers and try again. This may be the easiest solution.
if that doesn't work, try a different type of media. For software - most decent burning apps should be able to write a true redbook CD, so I doubt that's where the problem starts, especially if the CD works in other players. My own Cambridge Audio D500 doesn't read any CDs written faster than about 4X
Peter
if that doesn't work, try a different type of media. For software - most decent burning apps should be able to write a true redbook CD, so I doubt that's where the problem starts, especially if the CD works in other players. My own Cambridge Audio D500 doesn't read any CDs written faster than about 4X
Peter
The SACD XB940 is simply protected against the playing of CDRs. As you can check the unit reads TOC but holds after that. Just remember the fact that Sony started a crusade against copying of cds but eventually gave up fighting. The 940 is from just before that time....
A software "feature" so to speak. It reads CDRW perfectly ( which reflect only 25 % compared to CD ) so that can't be the problem.
A software "feature" so to speak. It reads CDRW perfectly ( which reflect only 25 % compared to CD ) so that can't be the problem.
jean-paul: Do you happen to know if this is also the way dvp-9000es is programmed? It might well be a "feature" since the manual says that it is not able to play cd-rom.
I have a friend that had an SCD-XA333ES, same problem.
Didn't read most CDRs, but CDRWs were fine.
And he recorded the CDRs on a Pioneer CD home recorder, at 1x speed.
The problem is, he had problems with some originals too!
Because of that:
1. he sent the player to the distributor where he bought it, and it was sent to Sony.
The player always came with the same problem, didn't read some originals, and he repeated step 1. some 3 or four times.😀
Each time the player went to Sony it was more than 1 month to come back.
He sent the original (very recent, not copy protected, plain Red Book) CDs for Sony, so that they could test.
Sony even changed all the mechanics, but no do.
In the end, Sony gave him the money back, they knew this was a piece of junk, no solution.
This was after a Sony proposal to offer him a new SCD-XA3000ES, as the 333 was already discontinued.
He didn't accept, money it is, Sony never more.
Those generations of Sony SACD players (including the 940, and also the SCD-1, I've heard reports) are very problematic.
Didn't read most CDRs, but CDRWs were fine.
And he recorded the CDRs on a Pioneer CD home recorder, at 1x speed.
The problem is, he had problems with some originals too!
Because of that:
1. he sent the player to the distributor where he bought it, and it was sent to Sony.
The player always came with the same problem, didn't read some originals, and he repeated step 1. some 3 or four times.😀
Each time the player went to Sony it was more than 1 month to come back.
He sent the original (very recent, not copy protected, plain Red Book) CDs for Sony, so that they could test.
Sony even changed all the mechanics, but no do.
In the end, Sony gave him the money back, they knew this was a piece of junk, no solution.
This was after a Sony proposal to offer him a new SCD-XA3000ES, as the 333 was already discontinued.
He didn't accept, money it is, Sony never more.
Those generations of Sony SACD players (including the 940, and also the SCD-1, I've heard reports) are very problematic.
How true, I regret selling my CDP-X3000ES.
Wonderful mechanism and although 1 bit technology good sounding and built well with high grade parts.
Wonderful mechanism and although 1 bit technology good sounding and built well with high grade parts.
Yes, it can be the problem. The XB940 is a SACD player, and since SACD media is the same (physically) as DVD media, the player's optics are designed to read DVDs. Regular CDs are fine too because their aluminum reflective layer reflects all wavelengths. CD-R's pose a significant problem to DVD players, and many early DVD players were not capable of playing CD-Rs. The problem is with the dye used for CD-Rs. The dye must be designed to absorb some light (so you can burn the CD) and allow some light to pass through (and be reflected back) for playback. The dye is optimised for the 780 nm wavelength specified for CD lasers, and it absorbs too much of the light from the DVD drive's shorter-wavelength 640 nm laser. CD-RW uses a very different type of dye which reflects much more of a DVD laser's light, which is why CD-RWs often play in DVD players which can't play CD-Rs.
All Sony DVD players have two lasers: one for CD and one for DVD. This eliminates the problem with reading CD-Rs. The XB940 however does not seem to have this two laser system.
CD-R replay
Hello all,
My Sony XA-20ES plays CD-R without a problem, maybe when this player came out CD copies weren't deemed as big a problem as later on?
Regards,
Jarno.
Hello all,
My Sony XA-20ES plays CD-R without a problem, maybe when this player came out CD copies weren't deemed as big a problem as later on?
Regards,
Jarno.
The whole issue is about the drive. My stone age Denon DCD-1500 (1986) can read all my CDR's but my slightly newer DCD-1520 (1989) has problems with some CDR's and you can't see what it is, becuase all CD's are burnt with highspeed and the same brand of CD, Fuji.
Gday.
@av-trouvaille.
just a sidenote:
the red-book is 2ch.stereo/16bit/44100Hz
only 1. of 3. layers in SACD is red-book.
In addition to other posts, opposite view:
the super audio digital disc
is just plain red-book with a audio "correction" layer,
nothing spesial about that.
Inn other words, SACD is money out the window,
both as media and sacd players
The only raw audio format that`s technicaly better
than red-book pcm data, is DVD-A.
@av-trouvaille.
just a sidenote:
the red-book is 2ch.stereo/16bit/44100Hz
only 1. of 3. layers in SACD is red-book.
In addition to other posts, opposite view:
the super audio digital disc
is just plain red-book with a audio "correction" layer,
nothing spesial about that.
Inn other words, SACD is money out the window,
both as media and sacd players
The only raw audio format that`s technicaly better
than red-book pcm data, is DVD-A.
Don't take this personally, GeirW, but you haven't a clue what you are talking about.
SACD is not "just plain red-book with a audio 'correction' layer". That's completely eff'in absurd.
The red book layer on a SACD is optional, and most SACDs do not include it. It is intended only for media compatibility with ordinary CD players, and is not used when playing SACD.
Furthermore, SACDs do not have 3 layers. They have either one or two layers: one SACD layer and one (optional) CD layer. The SACD layer contains a 2-channel version, and (optionally) a multi-channel version with six full-range channels. The great majority of SACDs include a multi-channel version. Most do not include the CD compatible layer.
This is clearly your opinion rather than fact, and you should represent it as such. That is, "I think that..." or "in my opinion...".
Gday.
mmz. read on.
i was purely pointing out that SACD
do infact exist in tree flavours.
http://www.philips.no/InformationCenter/NO/FArticleDetail.asp?lArticleId=1548&lNodeId
http://www.cdfreaks.com/images/SACD/Image14.gif
Freaks article here:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/95/4
(your right about the two layers though, i did mixup
http://www.northeasterndigital.com/audiosacd/audiosacd.htm
http://www.physicspost.com/science-article-1.html
as SACD versus DVD.
interesting read:
http://www.opticaldisc-systems.com/2001JanFeb/SACD66.htm
I surely hope that am not offending someone
mmz. read on.
i was purely pointing out that SACD
do infact exist in tree flavours.
Type1. Type2. and Hybrid.
http://www.philips.no/InformationCenter/NO/FArticleDetail.asp?lArticleId=1548&lNodeId
http://www.cdfreaks.com/images/SACD/Image14.gif
Freaks article here:
http://www.cdfreaks.com/article/95/4
(your right about the two layers though, i did mixup
http://www.northeasterndigital.com/audiosacd/audiosacd.htm
http://www.physicspost.com/science-article-1.html
as SACD versus DVD.
interesting read:
http://www.opticaldisc-systems.com/2001JanFeb/SACD66.htm
I surely hope that am not offending someone
Just found out, from the SCD-XB940 Service Manual, that it has got the same optical pickup as DVP-S9000ES. This seems to me that the pickup is the cause of not reading cd-r, since these both players have got this problem.
EDIT: Pickup name: KHM-220AAA
EDIT: Pickup name: KHM-220AAA
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