They also use Ciare
That mid looks strikingly similar to this:
CIARE FXC 6-1.5 MID RANGE 6 8ohm 120 watt loudspeaker
True, I hadn't looked at Ciare.
However the only 8 inch they do with a similar basket shape appears to be their €28 HW211.
Still think going by looks PHL is the most likely candidate.
HP 8 pouce
Which is a shame because they seem to have difficulties (their own site is pretty much non-functional) and they are making a bunch of interesting if pricey drivers.
However the only 8 inch they do with a similar basket shape appears to be their €28 HW211.
Still think going by looks PHL is the most likely candidate.
HP 8 pouce
Which is a shame because they seem to have difficulties (their own site is pretty much non-functional) and they are making a bunch of interesting if pricey drivers.
Breaking news: PHL almost died with unknown reason
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/mult...-900-series-who-have-heard-new-devices-2.html
May be, like Hans, you should reconsider the 415:
"(Ironically, Zimmer long ago abandoned the enormous speakers he installed in the wall in front of his workstation when he first renovated the studio after working on Gladiator in 2000. “Bad idea,” he says. “The speakers were killing me, because it’s so loud you can’t think, and they don’t sound good unless you really turn them up.”)".
"(Ironically, Zimmer long ago abandoned the enormous speakers he installed in the wall in front of his workstation when he first renovated the studio after working on Gladiator in 2000. “Bad idea,” he says. “The speakers were killing me, because it’s so loud you can’t think, and they don’t sound good unless you really turn them up.”)".
Well damn, my speakers do sound better after all. 
I wonder how that would translate though. Was Hans suffering from room acoustics, or linearity issues? How would you measure "don't sound good unless you really turn them up." ? I mean, I know it when I hear it, but just wondering what the science would turn up.
Best,
Erik
I wonder how that would translate though. Was Hans suffering from room acoustics, or linearity issues? How would you measure "don't sound good unless you really turn them up." ? I mean, I know it when I hear it, but just wondering what the science would turn up.
Best,
Erik
And then of course there's Fletcher-Munson. Maybe Hans just needs a loudness switch?
That would be funny.
Erik
That would be funny.
Erik
Some pro speakers are known to have this kind of issue: they sound great at a minimum (and up) level. Below that 'threshold' they usually sound 'lifeless' if that means anything. Usually this is an amplifier/monitor 'symbiotic' relationship. From my experience Quested are not the only brand wich suffer from this: PMC and some Genelec or Jbl suffer from this too.
In my point of view given the size of room Hans should had choosen the 4*12" rather than the 4*15".
About the size mismatch you are talking about Erik, don't forget that in control room you usually see the 'usable area', in many rooms this is only a fraction of the total area used for the control room: up to 40/50% total surface can be used for acoustic treatment and as 'hangers' are what they are usually they are hidden behind some fabric or other things... All in all monitors can look huge but usually they are correctly sized given level needed (real life spl of instrument tracked at 3 to 4 meters need LOTS of membrane area and efficient drivers especially if you want some headroom...) and damping from acoustic treatment (in serious control room).
Requirements are really differents between home and pro audio.
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415 is designed for 60mm2 room, and Hans's room is pretty big, much bigger than his London studio, I don't think he didn't treat his this big room well.
60mm2 make a small room for this loudspeakers!
60m2 seems much more real but this is some 'small' control room for a 'classic' (T.Hidley) professionnal recording studio (big dedicated one, not project or home studio).
Maybe the 415 are speced for this kind of surface but as i said this is for SPL reason and as Hans Zimmer is more in the project/home studio range this lead to the issue about this speakers being too loud for everyday use.
Don't forget this room's are just for project writing/composition/research: as everyone else he probably write his score using some samples library and go to 'big studio' to record/produce final track using real instruments. He don't really need such high spl capability in his project studio as he probably never track anything except synth in there, so no need for 130dbspl capability.
This is more a preproduction room than a 'real' studio.
60m2 seems much more real but this is some 'small' control room for a 'classic' (T.Hidley) professionnal recording studio (big dedicated one, not project or home studio).
Maybe the 415 are speced for this kind of surface but as i said this is for SPL reason and as Hans Zimmer is more in the project/home studio range this lead to the issue about this speakers being too loud for everyday use.
Don't forget this room's are just for project writing/composition/research: as everyone else he probably write his score using some samples library and go to 'big studio' to record/produce final track using real instruments. He don't really need such high spl capability in his project studio as he probably never track anything except synth in there, so no need for 130dbspl capability.
This is more a preproduction room than a 'real' studio.
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Indeed Hans uses a sample library.
The difference between Hans and regular mortals is that he produced his own using the best musicians from three London orchestras.
as for room size and 415s:
Hans room is substantially bigger than 60m^2. Going by all the stuff in there I would guess 200m^2 or more which is what 415s are made for.
And with regards to speakers and minimum level to sound good: That is part of my experience but not only with studio monitors but with every single speaker I have ever heard. Speakers driven with milliWatts just always sound crap (or at least not their best) hence I tend to choose the driver sensitivity so that I use at least 1W for normal listening.
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