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MFA Lumi sings high-pitched tunes

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Hello. My Lumi has began to produce very high-pitched, faint noise. It starts as soon as I flip the mute off, as soon as it warms up, it sings for about two hrs, then it disappears. It is in both channels, independent of volume control, and is in line section only, very faint but annoying non-the-less. I tried changing tubes, no change. Since it goes away in a couple of hours, am I correct to assume that some caps are gone? Unit is quite old, so it may be a good idea to recap it completely. My film caps are all new, but cans are all original (with exception of phono filament supply). Any thoughts? Thank you.

PS I have schematic diagrams for A-2 and C versions, if anybody is interested.
 
If it's in both channels, it's likely to be the regulator or some other power supply function common to both channels. Just out of principle, I'd replace the reg tubes and electrolytics. I'd also look at whatever circuit references the tubes' heaters (especially the pass tube) to a DC potential. Is the reference voltage derived from a Zener or from a VR tube?
 
If it's in both channels, it's likely to be the regulator or some other power supply function common to both channels. Just out of principle, I'd replace the reg tubes and electrolytics. I'd also look at whatever circuit references the tubes' heaters (especially the pass tube) to a DC potential. Is the reference voltage derived from a Zener or from a VR tube?

I'm not home now, i will have to look at the diagram. VR tube, I beleive, only provides 330v... Zener provides 6.3v, I don't think it is floated at any potential. I have to check.

Thx!
 
I'm not home now, i will have to look at the diagram. VR tube, I beleive, only provides 330v... Zener provides 6.3v, I don't think it is floated at any potential. I have to check.

Thx!

Sorry, I was unclear. The "reference" voltage I was asking about was for the regulator error amp. Different than the first thing I mentioned, the voltage to which the heaters are referenced (but that's also important).
 
Sorry, I was unclear. The "reference" voltage I was asking about was for the regulator error amp. Different than the first thing I mentioned, the voltage to which the heaters are referenced (but that's also important).

I will post a diagram later tonight.

High voltage is referenced either by a zener chain, or a 6EJ7 tube circuit there,I don't remember which exactly now. I have replaced the chain once, because one of the diodes died and it started to motorboat.

There were suggestions to float heaters at about 150v. I think that in later versions they are.

Thanks

Mark
 
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OK, excellent, you won't be working blind! Dust it off, then connect a capacitor (value not critical, 0u01-1u0, but it should be 400V or more) to the regulator output. Hook the scope probe on the other end. Turn on the preamp, then see if you can spot the oscillation. If so, we can trace back further. If not, we can start probing around the LV supplies to see if one of them is the culprit.
 
OK, excellent, you won't be working blind! Dust it off, then connect a capacitor (value not critical, 0u01-1u0, but it should be 400V or more) to the regulator output. Hook the scope probe on the other end. Turn on the preamp, then see if you can spot the oscillation. If so, we can trace back further. If not, we can start probing around the LV supplies to see if one of them is the culprit.

That should be asy - PS has test output on the back. What do we need an additional cap for?
 
To protect the scope. 300V+ will not do your scope's input much good.

Also, make sure that the test output is actually hooked to the output of the regulator, otherwise, you're not looking at where the action is likely to be.

Thank you SY, you've been very helpful. I wil not get to it for a while, dam work... My scope is rated for up to 600v, plus with AC setting and 10x probe you'd think I'd be ok without a cap? I can put one in just in case..
 
Excellent. Please keep us in the loop- troubleshooting is interesting and fun when it isn't oneself. 😀

I'll echo SY's troubleshooting comment.. 😀 I'm never terribly amused (except perhaps in an ironic sort of way) when it's me doing the trouble shooting, but it is entertaining in a different sort of way. (As in have I passed this way before, and missed something obvious? 😱 )The reward of course is once it's really fixed and you get to listen to it without the annoying realization that something is still broken.. 😛
 
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