classicalfan
"This is the full range section of the forum, and it seems from these posts that many people prefer full range to multi-way speakers."
I like full range speaker!
Especially Mark Audio.
I have 2-way also with Seas Excel w18e and Scanspeak 2905/93000 tweeter.
They are very good to.
MiniOnken make the speakers with 10.2Maop disappear in soundscape.
Alpair 11MS disappear to.
Individual instruments can be easily located with Mark Audio drivers.
Maybe this can be done with other full range as well.
Have tried Fostex, Visaton and Monacor full range but Mark Audio is superior to these that I have tried.
You can't ask for much more for the pennies that Mark Audio drivers cost.
There are also significantly more expensive full range drivers.
$3000-$10000 each might be better.
If you can afford it.
"This is the full range section of the forum, and it seems from these posts that many people prefer full range to multi-way speakers."
I like full range speaker!
Especially Mark Audio.
I have 2-way also with Seas Excel w18e and Scanspeak 2905/93000 tweeter.
They are very good to.
MiniOnken make the speakers with 10.2Maop disappear in soundscape.
Alpair 11MS disappear to.
Individual instruments can be easily located with Mark Audio drivers.
Maybe this can be done with other full range as well.
Have tried Fostex, Visaton and Monacor full range but Mark Audio is superior to these that I have tried.
You can't ask for much more for the pennies that Mark Audio drivers cost.
There are also significantly more expensive full range drivers.
$3000-$10000 each might be better.
If you can afford it.
I literally cannot hear portions of recorded material I can distinctly remember hearing when I was younger. Age happens and with it goes sensory ability. So what to do? Obviously cannot enjoy in the same way, as part of the performance is missing. So I try to enjoy what's left and one of the things for me is phase coherence. The 'ol ears can still perceive L-R. F-B; if a bee was circling my head, I could still hear and discern its position over time.
I can still hear a car turning down the street I'm walking, coming up the road behind me, sense it going past and down the road in front of me. Naturally, without 'aids.
I can still hear a bird song and locate him up in the tree. Point is, go for enjoying what's left. HFHL doesnt remove the ability to hear dynamics in SPL; I'm sure I can tell when something just got really loud.
I believe I mentioned before somewhere playing with the Polk "SDA" speaker arrangement. It's a spatial enhancement and "space" is something I still can hear, so therein lies the interest in it; gives me something to play with in audio.
I play guitar, have several and can hear the timbre differences between the instruments. I play with ideas like classical strings on the low 3, steel on the high. The machine head still winds it up in tune.
Finally, I sing. Yep, been spending all my free time playin' and singing songs I happen to like and fall within the possibility of me actually being able to perform a rudimentary version of. I'm quite lucky to be able to do this at 67. I practice by "singing along with" recorded material I like, where I dont care if I'll ever be able to perform it. I work on matching pitch, then matching phase (phase-chasing I call it) of whatever it is I'm singing to. When I match phase successfully, the original singers voice just sounds a bit louder in the mix. As expected.
There's lots you can do with old ears' remaining functionality and sensory performance! Pay attention to what's left and hone in on the abilities that remain. Hell, I was sitting quietly this morning and actually detected the scritching of a squirrel going after our strawberry plants, sittin atop old empty speaker cabs arranged in the middle of the back deck. He can jump to them no problem. I surprised myself when I suspected it was him enough just by the sounds, to rise and look out the open window screen - and it was!
I can still hear a car turning down the street I'm walking, coming up the road behind me, sense it going past and down the road in front of me. Naturally, without 'aids.
I can still hear a bird song and locate him up in the tree. Point is, go for enjoying what's left. HFHL doesnt remove the ability to hear dynamics in SPL; I'm sure I can tell when something just got really loud.
I believe I mentioned before somewhere playing with the Polk "SDA" speaker arrangement. It's a spatial enhancement and "space" is something I still can hear, so therein lies the interest in it; gives me something to play with in audio.
I play guitar, have several and can hear the timbre differences between the instruments. I play with ideas like classical strings on the low 3, steel on the high. The machine head still winds it up in tune.
Finally, I sing. Yep, been spending all my free time playin' and singing songs I happen to like and fall within the possibility of me actually being able to perform a rudimentary version of. I'm quite lucky to be able to do this at 67. I practice by "singing along with" recorded material I like, where I dont care if I'll ever be able to perform it. I work on matching pitch, then matching phase (phase-chasing I call it) of whatever it is I'm singing to. When I match phase successfully, the original singers voice just sounds a bit louder in the mix. As expected.
There's lots you can do with old ears' remaining functionality and sensory performance! Pay attention to what's left and hone in on the abilities that remain. Hell, I was sitting quietly this morning and actually detected the scritching of a squirrel going after our strawberry plants, sittin atop old empty speaker cabs arranged in the middle of the back deck. He can jump to them no problem. I surprised myself when I suspected it was him enough just by the sounds, to rise and look out the open window screen - and it was!
For off axis as well, yes 3" driver or smaller.
What my recent design used and newer design using a 2.5 inch.
Thing is bass response.
So yes agree, but I love classical and like very good lows.
But smaller cone size is the way to go for upper bandwidth.
Why mentioned 6 to 8 inch
Because they actually do wider bandwidth lower.
And sound fine on the top end with modern drivers.
Running as a true full range/ wideband single driver application.
Smaller speakers are essential recipe for " WAW"
which is accepted term in fullrange it seems.
although technically a 2 way.
For actual wide band single driver.
The tradeoff is somewhere in the middle
for cone size.
Also if your looking for better Sensitivity
larger cone is the answer.
So yes smaller drivers theoretical are better.
Luckily in real life just listening.
they all do rather well.
WAW is different yes.
Yes as well, the common loops of discussion with fullrange.
What is your tradeoff, upper or lower bandwidth.
I just feel if it is true single driver wideband.
Although not ideal of course for theoretical high end.
Going slightly larger is good tradeoff.
Ironic and definitely not trying to go against suggestions.
Ive been reviewing and looking at quite a few wideband drivers.
All of them 3" or smaller.
Being well aware of their benefits.
Real listening plenty of larger drivers do fine.
regardless of assumptions that a basic glance at a datasheet
looks like. Just have fun build something.
Toss in a notch filter, run it on a switch for the before after
reveal. Just have fun
Against the grain a little too for no crossover.
It is just typical stuff that comes up with wideband
Yes as well, the common loops of discussion with fullrange.
What is your tradeoff, upper or lower bandwidth.
I just feel if it is true single driver wideband.
Although not ideal of course for theoretical high end.
Going slightly larger is good tradeoff.
Ironic and definitely not trying to go against suggestions.
Ive been reviewing and looking at quite a few wideband drivers.
All of them 3" or smaller.
Being well aware of their benefits.
Real listening plenty of larger drivers do fine.
regardless of assumptions that a basic glance at a datasheet
looks like. Just have fun build something.
Toss in a notch filter, run it on a switch for the before after
reveal. Just have fun
Against the grain a little too for no crossover.
It is just typical stuff that comes up with wideband
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classicalfan
There are many options to choose from when it comes to a speaker box.
Look at these and choose carefully which one might suit you best.
I have only tried Bluebuck. It goes deep into the base and has a narrow baffle.
https://www.markaudio.com/online_shop/ch/chp-90/
There are many options to choose from when it comes to a speaker box.
Look at these and choose carefully which one might suit you best.
I have only tried Bluebuck. It goes deep into the base and has a narrow baffle.
https://www.markaudio.com/online_shop/ch/chp-90/
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Although being a 6 driver vertical array, when I built my 'Twin Towers', I chose 5.5" drivers for the range of 600Hz to 5Khz.
I built some dipole t-lines for a friend of mine who did 25 years in USAF and came out with high frequency loss. The speakers I built roll off around 14k, he can’t hear that high only to 5-7k. So, I just let the full rangers roll off naturally, and guess what? No one complains about not hearing the dog whistles. The dipoles use two 5” drivers each and cover the bass down to 55hz, he doesn’t miss his Klipsch speakers at all. He thinks the midrange is much better than his Klipsch, and vocals are fantastic. Of course he likes to pull out Jazz at the Improv to impress his guests, something he just has to do. Also, he has upgraded his amplifier twice now. Bottom line, buy something that covers about an octave over what you can hear. Buy a speaker driver with exceptionally clear midrange, you won’t have the tweeter providing the clarity. Augment with a subwoofer or make a WAW in the first place. Personally, I like the 8-4” and 10-5” WAW formats. They are very good on stands, fit in the average living room, and can be used on a bookshelf for WAF. I built some 8-3” WAWs for my son with 3” TB drivers and a Dayton woofer crossed at 300hz. They are very good but won’t play loud, so depending on how loud you want to play your music you may need larger drivers. My friend did opt for a subwoofer because he missed the growl and slam from a 10” woofer and passive radiator. He doesn’t miss the horn tweeters of his Klipsch speakers, just the bass.