Give us some that puts your subs through there paces, or just sounds natural and GOOD. All genres welcome. I finally got some subs that can handle stuff like this and reproduce it faithfully at high volumes Avenged Sevenfold - Shepherd Of Fire [Official Music Video] - YouTube. Of course youtube isn't the best source going, just for example purposes. Real kick drum no etronic stuff if you please. Well you can post it that don't mean I'm going to play it 😀
I agree.
I have a recording but, I don't have the means of putting it in a file on the computer to give it to you (my computer is junk).
It is a recording of my band that I recorded without mastering. No compression and no low end roll off. I have information at 25 Hz on the kick drum. Everyone that hears it always mentions the kick drum on the recording. It isn't loud in the mix, but it has very good punch and good super low end. Also, balanced attack from the beater.
I recorded with a 20 bit ADAT, 8 tracks only. Later I bought another, for 16 tracks. This was back in the 90's.
Used a D112 microphone and a 31 band EQ on the kick to get the right sound. The bass drum was tuned very low with slight damping and a 4" hole in the front head. The mic was positioned just inside the front head. I spent alot of time trying to get a good sound and that's how I got it. Sounds better than any kick I ever heard!😀
The only other one I can think of is Rush Power Windows, at least on vinyl. I haven't heard it on CD and remastered. Usually, they cut low end on CD's or at least it sounds like it.
I have a recording but, I don't have the means of putting it in a file on the computer to give it to you (my computer is junk).
It is a recording of my band that I recorded without mastering. No compression and no low end roll off. I have information at 25 Hz on the kick drum. Everyone that hears it always mentions the kick drum on the recording. It isn't loud in the mix, but it has very good punch and good super low end. Also, balanced attack from the beater.
I recorded with a 20 bit ADAT, 8 tracks only. Later I bought another, for 16 tracks. This was back in the 90's.
Used a D112 microphone and a 31 band EQ on the kick to get the right sound. The bass drum was tuned very low with slight damping and a 4" hole in the front head. The mic was positioned just inside the front head. I spent alot of time trying to get a good sound and that's how I got it. Sounds better than any kick I ever heard!😀
The only other one I can think of is Rush Power Windows, at least on vinyl. I haven't heard it on CD and remastered. Usually, they cut low end on CD's or at least it sounds like it.
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9 out of 10 times you won't need a sub for the kick drum as its fundamental is usually between 80-130Hz and typically high passed anyway.
The lowest part of a drum kit is the large floor tom at around 60Hz.
On the other hand electronic kick drums can go VERY low indeed and some pianos can go down to 27Hz.
The lowest part of a drum kit is the large floor tom at around 60Hz.
On the other hand electronic kick drums can go VERY low indeed and some pianos can go down to 27Hz.
I don't need one but I will use four.
Analog Id like to hear that recording. I have that rush recording on cassette I still think thats a pretty good format they can have a fuller sound than cd and minus the brightness.
Analog Id like to hear that recording. I have that rush recording on cassette I still think thats a pretty good format they can have a fuller sound than cd and minus the brightness.
I will see what I can do to get the recording in a file to send. My sound card is junk.
BTW, on the same recording, I used a bass drum mic on the 18" floor tom and got some good output down to 50hz. Had that tuned pretty low as well. I never tuned to certain notes, just until it sounded good.😀
BTW, on the same recording, I used a bass drum mic on the 18" floor tom and got some good output down to 50hz. Had that tuned pretty low as well. I never tuned to certain notes, just until it sounded good.😀
FWIW...............
IMO, drums are a bad way to balance a sys and..... the low end is the most difficult to get right. This includes studio monitors in studios which can vary in in its low end output.
IMO a deep male voice is a better way to balance a sys.
Personally, I use my "Eric Andersen- Blue River" album as one tool to adjust lows ..... if Eric's voice sounds right, all lows tend to sound great . .
Otherwise, you can have great sounding kick drums with a great low end but, other things will sound boomy.
I'm also from the school of thought that you can not have a perfect adjustment for every recording and the best you can hope for is a pleasant compromise for most... without the constant/frequent urge to adjust things........ keeping in mind that that the perception of low bass can change with volume levels .
You have to rule your sys and not let it rule you.
So, after setting my EQ with the most minimal adjustments possible (and balancing out my L&R speakers and sub), I just sometimes only slightly adjust the bass on my NAD (C-350) amp which only effects the very low freqs.... depending on the program source.
BTW, I'm a a former (rock) bass player but I still hate heavy, overpowering bass...unless the program material calls for it of course.. 🙂
IMO, drums are a bad way to balance a sys and..... the low end is the most difficult to get right. This includes studio monitors in studios which can vary in in its low end output.
IMO a deep male voice is a better way to balance a sys.
Personally, I use my "Eric Andersen- Blue River" album as one tool to adjust lows ..... if Eric's voice sounds right, all lows tend to sound great . .
Otherwise, you can have great sounding kick drums with a great low end but, other things will sound boomy.
I'm also from the school of thought that you can not have a perfect adjustment for every recording and the best you can hope for is a pleasant compromise for most... without the constant/frequent urge to adjust things........ keeping in mind that that the perception of low bass can change with volume levels .
You have to rule your sys and not let it rule you.
So, after setting my EQ with the most minimal adjustments possible (and balancing out my L&R speakers and sub), I just sometimes only slightly adjust the bass on my NAD (C-350) amp which only effects the very low freqs.... depending on the program source.
BTW, I'm a a former (rock) bass player but I still hate heavy, overpowering bass...unless the program material calls for it of course.. 🙂
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I am with you on all of those points. Its easy to overwhelm with bass, subtlety is the key as it has to be in part with everything else, it must blend and compliment all the other frequencies and sound natural while doing so. Get it right and it heightens every other experience 10 fold. Many people say if your main speakers are up to the task subs are not necessary. I couldn't disagree with that stronger, subs can elevate the entire experience and expand your listening horizon if you get them right. Btw I had the next version of that amp in my journeys and it was a very good piece I enjoyed owning it.
I remember when subs first became commercially available back in the '70s
The term "sub" then meant a speaker that reproduced the frequencies that were sub/below human hearing .... frequencies that are felt rather that heard..... if the program material even contained therm .
They were designed to to be used with even the best speakers of the day that had very good bass response.
In fact there were debates if subs were even necessary with the popular speakers of the day..... like "JBL L100" for example which I had back then. ( with a Heathkit AA1640 amp)
However, now, it seems that any speaker that goes below about 300 hz is called a sub and now mainly used to replace sorely lacking frequencies from the mains and, are often used to just reproduce excessive bass. Now the argument by some is how many sub do you need to get the mind numbing excessive bass that some now crave.
How times and speakers have changed!
BTW, I got the "C-350" via e-Bay a while back and for a very reasonable price..... it's pristine inside and out.
For my purposes in an apartment stereo system it's all I need and I'm very happy with it.. I just had one minor problem with it recently and it was easily fixed once diagnosed. 🙂
The term "sub" then meant a speaker that reproduced the frequencies that were sub/below human hearing .... frequencies that are felt rather that heard..... if the program material even contained therm .
They were designed to to be used with even the best speakers of the day that had very good bass response.
In fact there were debates if subs were even necessary with the popular speakers of the day..... like "JBL L100" for example which I had back then. ( with a Heathkit AA1640 amp)
However, now, it seems that any speaker that goes below about 300 hz is called a sub and now mainly used to replace sorely lacking frequencies from the mains and, are often used to just reproduce excessive bass. Now the argument by some is how many sub do you need to get the mind numbing excessive bass that some now crave.
How times and speakers have changed!
BTW, I got the "C-350" via e-Bay a while back and for a very reasonable price..... it's pristine inside and out.
For my purposes in an apartment stereo system it's all I need and I'm very happy with it.. I just had one minor problem with it recently and it was easily fixed once diagnosed. 🙂
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You must be refering to m&k. They are inovators of commercial home subs back in 74 and did the david and goliath and then the servo volkswoofer. I have 2 m&k subs sealed with treated paper cones they do an amazing job, I cant say enough how realistic they makes drums etc sound. I can see myself moving up the line to bigger ones in the future and keeping these eights for a second system. But i would really like to try 4 of these ones and diver down deeper into musical nirvana.
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OP, try Buried Alive by the same artist. Sets off fairly quiet-ish, and builds into a wall of sound.
Set off with the volume at "pretty loud", and see how the system copes as the track goes on.
Chris
Set off with the volume at "pretty loud", and see how the system copes as the track goes on.
Chris
I have it on cd too it sounds good @ pretty loud and louder. I'm sure I could use a better dac thats next.
FWIW, noob here.
i enjoy DMB, pretty good drums, not so much shredding as these guys, but you can get flute sounds, with violin sounds. plus top 5 fav drummer ;-)
i enjoy DMB, pretty good drums, not so much shredding as these guys, but you can get flute sounds, with violin sounds. plus top 5 fav drummer ;-)
First to come out with the tripole too eh. I'm curious about trying some of their full range speakers. Not those, some type of studio monitor since I have favored that sound from other makes with a good flat response. And they would be used for very little video playback.
Got a goody here, but may be very hard for you to get, sorry, 🙂: local band The Mojo Corner - A Whole Lotta Woman (album), the sound of it is caught is this relatively poor quality clip, The Mojo Corner - Redhouse - YouTube.
Burnt rather than pressed, this is a high quality, minimal processing, done in one day recording - drums are beautifully captured, heard it last night at PA sound levels on a system that did proper bass, and the drum strikes were superb - this can go as loud as you dare and it never disappoints ... 😉
Burnt rather than pressed, this is a high quality, minimal processing, done in one day recording - drums are beautifully captured, heard it last night at PA sound levels on a system that did proper bass, and the drum strikes were superb - this can go as loud as you dare and it never disappoints ... 😉
OK, I was able to get my bands CD converted to WAV. files on my computer.
Are WAV. files good enough for you? If so, How do I send it to you?
Are WAV. files good enough for you? If so, How do I send it to you?
Cool, WAV will be fine, Ill check that out. You have a PM.
Heres a popular oldy but has good kick drum, most everyone probably has a better recording of it somewhere Free - All Right Now Lyrics - YouTube
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