Interesting new (mis)utilization of class D devices

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itsmrdavid

Member
2005-09-02 3:31 am
  • #1
    Ok, i've posted this idea a few places, and gotten a few verbal
    slaps from snobby engineers for having birthed it... but i still think
    it's workable.

    Here it is:

    A moderate power modular Class D device that can handle
    plus and minus 12v (24v rail to rail).

    A full H bridge of fets - probably 25 per device, 100 total, of IRF840.
    Might need some current drivers for that many fets, I dunno; but
    I figure 20khz is fine for switching frequency. Might be ok at the
    lower frequency.

    A series of 26 x 12v car batteries, center grounded (13 per side),
    to power the circuit. Take the plus and minus 12v for the class D
    driver chip from the two center batteries.

    An isolated and regulated supply section and crystal controlled
    oscillator to make a 60hz sine wave.

    Negative feedback to lock the voltage into a range similar to
    115/230v power lines.

    And Voila! - a heavy duty AC power supply for your home!!!
    Theoretically it'd be enough to run things like an oven, electric range, water heater, etc...

    Then all you need is a metric-assload of cash to buy solar panels.
    hehehe

    Any comments?
    ~David
     
    Jocko Homo

    Jocko Homo

    RIP
    2002-02-09 8:15 pm
    As far from the NOSsers as possible
  • #2
    Uh...........am I missing something...............?

    Shouldn't that include some way of going from +/- 12 VDC to 120/240 VAC? Like maybe a big hunk of iron and copper..........normally called a transformer. Maybe?

    So......this thing is going to generate.........let's say 7 kW or so to power a typical electric stove, or hot water heater? Maybe 400 A @ 12 VDC? Something like that?

    Ok.................why? Forget the workable part.......I want to know the why part.

    Maybe then we will verbally slap you. Especailly if you have a sense of humour.

    Jocko
     
    Kenshin

    Kenshin

    Member
    2005-01-09 9:51 am
    China
  • #3
    It's just a so-called "high frequency inverter" (translated from Chinese nickname), many companies are manufacturing these things.

    Usually a 12V battery + 40KHz inverter + pulse transformer + rectifier to produce more than 300V DC (instead of 26 batteries -- managing many batteries are nasty work) , then use a class-D bridge amplifier running at 20KHz to get the final 220V 50Hz output.

    No heavy 50Hz iron core transformer needed, this is able to output ~200 watts with 2x or 4x IRF3205 + small size ferrite transformer + 4x IRF840. This power is enough for a TV set.
     
    Kenshin

    Kenshin

    Member
    2005-01-09 9:51 am
    China
  • #7
    Use a reverse running class-D amp to boost 12V car battery to 35V for car audio use; or use a synchonized one running off a typical toroid transformer as a rectifier without input current harmonics.

    Another benefit: the energy send back from the subwoofer to the PSU capacitor could be send back to battery/mains. This eliminate the danger of pumping a capacitor and blow it.
     
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    mzzj

    Member
    2005-07-02 8:17 pm
    65N 25E
  • #9
    basically you are re-inventing the wheel :)

    UPS systems in >>kW range use system like you described, for example I have seen couple of largish UPS systems running on around 40pcs of 39Ah or even 75Ah batteries series connected for 400V DC rail. Instead of 25pcs parallei connected tiny mosfets these monsters usually use big IGBT's for switching.

    Now, who needs more than 30kW in kitchen? :D

    These are just a crappy small ones for most critical operations like emergency cooling pumps, compared to bigger motors in same steel factory like 14MW turbocompressor motors :)
     
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