I hate Linux

[freax]

Setting up Permissions wrong has resulted in 150GB of data being sent to the wrong directory.

I just received my new speakers and now I have to sit here and figure out what the hell is wrong with my music server before I can play anything on them.

Or maybe its that the configuration file needs editing when you shutdown the daemon.

Or maybe its that I didn't use the correct formatting in the configuration file.

Or maybe its that I used the GUI of the app to set the configuration but the GUI app doesn't have the same group permissions to write to the same directory as the daemon does and so therefore the daemon reads its own configuration file again and again.

This last one really got me, I set the settings in the GUI and figured all is well, WRONG!

The number of things that you have to remember just to do one operator in Linux is mind boggling! Imagine what it is like having to juggle multiple services and having to remember how to do everything key-perfect every single time, its a ******* nightmare! You mustn't be able to have any other life besides configuring this stuff!

And the dependency that I have on Google is disturbing to say the least, nearly every single command nearly every single mistake that I make has to be googled. The ones that I do remember the answer to are too few and far between.

And they change everything whenever they do a new release.

Its no longer
sudo /etc/init.d/daemon stop


Anymore, its:

sudo services daemon stop


STOP SCREWING WITH THINGS!

I say again, I hate Linux.

I have to live with it now, but that doesn't mean I have to like it!

And I say this here because there is no other place to say it, if you put it anywhere else where Linux programmers could hear it they would blast you to kingdom come for you having the HIDE to question their belief system.

And then they pull out the old trusty faithful crutch that is "Well if you don't like it you can change it" WRONG I'm not a Programmer I'm an Engineer/End User!

 

[mcluxun]

jokes on you buddy
you cant blame dumbbells too heavy if you are too weak to work out.
I can make similar claims about windows 8 not having the start button menu, and me being stupid that costs data lost.
At the end of the day you do have to realize linux is there to offer you options instead of a full body happy ending massage.
thinking init.d and service sucks? systemd is being deployed now, feel free to choose not to use it but dont blame the software.

 

[freax]

jokes on you buddy
you cant blame dumbbells too heavy if you are too weak to work out.

I've been using linux since 1998 (Minix on 1.44MB/Debian Potato on 1.44MB/Ubuntu in that order) and still feel lost sometimes. You'd think that after all of this time that I would have the basics down but no...

Know why? Because they change the rules of the game every time they release a new version.

I started out using vi, then they pulled out vi and replaced it with editor or nano...

I memorised all of the commands to vi, I even bought the god damn manual for it, and then they released a new version of vi and changed most of the commands!

Then they moved wherever the files were once originally so all of the knowledge that I learnt beforehand about where the files are is now changed.

Then they came up with the most rediculous idea ever, sudo, which forces me to enter in a highly complex password every 8 seconds.

But Debian has gone to **** so I can't go back to that and the process to remove sudo is more complex than brain surgery.

I need a drink!

 

[mcluxun]

Dear Sir
Ive wrecked software raid myself and i know it's my fault when it is my fault.

replacing vi with nano sucks and i know it especially when i did git commit on a new computer and that ugly nano popped up. but again after all you are one command away from fixing it, linux is all about options.

IIRC last week i did a netinst of debian, sudo is not even in default install.

go get a drink and good night of sleep, in computer science we call that a reboot, you ll get over it.

 

[freax]

Dear Sir
Ive wrecked software raid myself and i know it's my fault when it is my fault.

I'm not concerned about blaming anyone or anything.

I want to change Linux for the better but I cannot because of the pig headed attitude towards "outside people" trying to provide a source of feedback for wether or not this sucks or not.

replacing vi with nano sucks and i know it especially when i did git commit on a new computer and that ugly nano popped up. but again after all you are one command away from fixing it, linux is all about options.

It feels like I'm pulling out weeds everytime I update or reinstall (which is rare thankfully)

IIRC last week i did a netinst of debian, sudo is not even in default install.

go get a drink and good night of sleep, in computer science we call that a reboot, you ll get over it.

Indeed, I'm calmed down I just don't know why I bother though sometimes.

Its not like the network is insecure this is a box sitting on the LAN end of a network providing home users with file access.

I'm questioning wether the bother of having it is worthwhile, especially considering that Zoneminder is a poor replacement for iSpy (Sure Zoneminder is good BUT iSpy records audio.)

And the other use is SAMBA which I can do easily with any Windows server software.

And I'm a gamer so I need Windows for games so its not like I can use Linux on a desktop pc.

And the whole audio thing is a fundamental flaw with the Zoneminder package so it has to have a complete rewrite for it to ever be an option for it.

The only positive thing that I can see with Linux as a home server is ext4 thats it. Well it is more efficient too but thats questionable if I'm ripping my hair out all of the time.

Sure the Software RAID1 that I've got is fine just fine.

 

[DF96]

Firefox has the same problem as Linux: the people who develop it seem to have as their goal in life to develop Firefox/Linux. They don't seem to understand ordinary people who simply want some reliable stable software to get a job done.

Why is it that the default layout of Firefox controls keeps changing? The bookmarks icon recently moved from the left (near the back/forward buttons) over to the right. Why? Their answer always seems to be that users can customise as they wish. Why should we have to keep doing this? One of the reasons we use non-MS software is because we got fed up with MS keep changing things for no apparent reason apart from introducing new security risks.

It would be a bit like audio fans who never listen to music but constantly change their setup, just because they can. Now that would be daft, wouldn't it?

 

[freax]

Firefox has the same problem as Linux: the people who develop it seem to have as their goal in life to develop Firefox/Linux. They don't seem to understand ordinary people who simply want some reliable stable software to get a job done.

Why is it that the default layout of Firefox controls keeps changing? The bookmarks icon recently moved from the left (near the back/forward buttons) over to the right. Why? Their answer always seems to be that users can customise as they wish. Why should we have to keep doing this? One of the reasons we use non-MS software is because we got fed up with MS keep changing things for no apparent reason apart from introducing new security risks.

It would be a bit like audio fans who never listen to music but constantly change their setup, just because they can. Now that would be daft, wouldn't it?

Oh my god I know!

I use Firefox regularly and the privacy permissions don't do anything at all, it still remembers everything. Except now its thrown in your face in a new tab in big ugly squares. At least its being honest.

I figured out after a long while that the only time it actually listens to you is when you choose "Use custom settings for history" the option "Never remember history" never actually works or does anything.

I think the last Firefox version that I actually trusted to do what I tell it to was v3.6.3

The moment that they remove the option to enable the Bookmarks toolbar I will quit using it.

Perfection isn't something that can be achieved through random alterations of a product, you must listen to the whispers just as much as the screams because both are equally justified; only when there is silence have you reached utter disaster or complete perfection in a product.

Its only saving grace (the reason why i still use it) is its not a Google pooped out product and the plugins are excellent: Noscript, Ghostery, Adblock plus.

 

[Zero D]

DF96

It would be a bit like audio fans who never listen to music but constantly change their setup, just because they can. Now that would be daft, wouldn't it?

That doesn't happen on here though 😀

@ freax

Privacy Related Topics in here https://www.wilderssecurity.com Amongst the other good stuff, look for FF related topics. You might have to go back quite a number of posts/threads to catch up, but it'll be worth it Also check out the other threads on there too for some nice Apps & advice/info etc.

Linux help etc https://www.wilderssecurity.com/forums/all-things-unix.99 & https://secure.dslreports.com/forum/unixdsl Lots of other info etc on there too 🙂

 

[billshurv]

A year ago I was really annoyed with linux as I was trying to set up a fanless recycled thin client using a cut to the bone linux variant, except there are not many of those around anymore so I couldn't find anything within the 256MB memory footprint I had that would run on the hardware. I finally got fed up and got an HP microserver, which has been best audio purchase of the year. Last night took 3 hours to get a new USB-SPDIF converter working, main reason being that the help files are confusing and sometimes contradictory as the internet never forgets so you can find old advice that has been deprecated.

however now its sorted and I know it will mimble on till the hard drive is filled without needing to be restarted for updates every 2 weeks. It is the best tool for the job but unless you use it all day every day, you forget a lot.

XKCD sums it up xkcd: tar

One day I will open a port in so can stream music remotely. That will be fun...

 

[Jeffs]

I laughed at the title, but understand. It isn't more difficult that learning electrical engineering for diyaudio.
If you stick with it, you will create your own perfect system... and when things go bad they don't make smoke (knock on wood).
I've never touched a Windows 8 screen to my knowledge, and don't want to pay for Kaspersky renewals so haven't booted into Windows 7 since I'm not sure... and I while I'm sure it is not as new as everyone thinks, exploits like the bash one pointed out a couple of months ago prove none of us are safe from bugs. I've been a Mac user since tax time and would have found it absolutely frustrating if I didn't already know how to get around using *NIX commands. I still find it frustrating, and realize how dumbed down I've let my brain get over a few months. There are some things you can't do efficiently unless you simply have commands memorized.
While I haven't tried an updated version, Ubuntu was too bloated by 2012. I have a box running Mint which really needs to be abandoned. Lubuntu with packages added as needed seems to work for older systems.
Almost everything in peoples homes is running Linux. Network storage, phones, tablets, televisions, cameras, coffee makers (maybe not yet, would hate to have it hacked and have fresh coffee made at midnight).
All of the problems parallel my frustrations with diyaudio.
When scanning through the replies I saw v3.6.3 and thought - is that a mistake - the reason I logged in this morning 6.3vdc from 6.3vac for heater power supply. I could quit all of this and buy an AVR from craigslist for $200.

 

[scopeboy]

They say the first 10 years working with Linux are the worst. I have actually been using it for more than 10 years, and it can still be incredibly frustrating at times.

I built this around a Raspberry Pi, the Audio Widget DAC and a 1TB hard drive. scopeblog PiTunes It does a good job of "just working". It appears as a Windows file share on my home network, music files can just be dragged and dropped onto it.

I liked it enough that I made a second version using the Wolfson Pi Audio Card for SPDIF output, and my TV/remote as the user interface instead of the little home made control panel. This one will also play movies by swapping the SD card for one containing OpenElec.

 

[billshurv]

I desperately wanted to have a low power always on solution, but USB is too slow for indexing when you add lots of new music. My only remaining issue is a front end for MPD that I can use without having the laptop on and without buying a tablet specifically for the task. A lot of stuff that is great with small filesets barfs when you get above 50K tracks.

 

[scott wurcer]

above 50K tracks.

😱

 

[billshurv]

There is some repeats as I used to keep the mp3 and flac on the same hardrive when I started ripping my collection. Marrying someone who is also a music lover has caused a somewhat exponential growth in the collection. Doesn't make me feel as dirty about upgrading the rest of the system now as the music is worth more than the equipment!

 

[freax]

They say the first 10 years working with Linux are the worst. I have actually been using it for more than 10 years, and it can still be incredibly frustrating at times.

Tell me about it. The only command with arguments that I know off by heart is tar zxvf/ls/cd/mv (sorry sudo mv)

I'm afraid to do an upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 Server because it might break a ton of things.

 

[scopeboy]

I have about 160GB of stuff on there. Updating the MPD database can be a bit slow, but everything else works so well that I put up with it.

There are plenty of fanless Atom motherboards now that run off a 12V wall adaptor and take SATA hard drives. I use these in my day job (running Linux) for industrial data logging, but they would make a great base for a player.

 

[freax]

A year ago I was really annoyed with linux as I was trying to set up a fanless recycled thin client using a cut to the bone linux variant, except there are not many of those around anymore so I couldn't find anything within the 256MB memory footprint I had that would run on the hardware. I finally got fed up and got an HP microserver, which has been best audio purchase of the year. Last night took 3 hours to get a new USB-SPDIF converter working, main reason being that the help files are confusing and sometimes contradictory as the internet never forgets so you can find old advice that has been deprecated.

Thats exactly right, I done the exact same thing with a VIA C3 motherboard and couldn't find anything besides W2K that could run on it that and pfSense. And it drew 30 watts from the wall! not very power friendly for such an old system.. no one in the Linux community has any time to support the older versions so as soon as that version indicator ticks over one more time everyone abandons the old versions and its up to the end user to maintain the old versions.

That is where LTS (Long term Support) steps in but I'm still being nagged by my bash login prompt to upgrade? I thought I chose an LTS distribution so I didn't have to upgrade but just update the packages.

So if you're stuck with drivers that were developed on one specific kernel you're stuck with that kernel version and whatever that entails. (I'm not sure I there is a workaround for this, maybe pulling the module out and putting it in another kernel, but I don't think Kernels even use Modules anymore..)

You also find it difficult to almost impossible to compile old code that was made for 2.4 Kernel on modern versions as the tools and their dependencies required to do so are abandoned projects.

This kind of bashing about to and fro with new ideas in Linux is destructive to the time and patience that end users have when maintaining and using it, not to mention completely destroying any and all trust in it of being an operating system that will be around for many years to come.(trust that I've found to be quite easy to come by with Microsoft products <WXP and <Office 2003)

Just take a look at that story about all of those smart fridges and smart tvs which were made with an older Kernel version and are now heavily exploitable and are a part of a botnet. Just abandoning Kernel support is NOT a good thing!

http://thehackernews.com/2014/01/100000-refrigerators-and-other-home.html

More than 25 percent of the volume was sent by things that were not conventional laptops, desktop computers or mobile devices; instead, the emails were sent by everyday consumer gadgets such as compromised home-networking routers, connected multi-media centers, televisions and at least one refrigerator. No more than 10 emails were initiated from any single IP address, making the attack difficult to block based on location -- and in many cases, the devices had not been subject to a sophisticated compromise; instead, misconfiguration and the use of default passwords left the devices completely exposed on public networks, available for takeover and use.”

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/09/25/desperate_vxers_enslave_freezers_in_ddos_bot/

Several Akamai customers have been targeted by DDoS attack campaigns launched from this botnet. One attack peaked at 215 gigabits per second and 150 million packets per second," the company wrote in an advisory."Binary payloads from this toolkit are dropped and executed after the successful compromise of targeted devices, which may include PCs, servers, routers, Internet-of-Things devices (i.e., smart thermostat systems and washer/dryers) and home-based customer premises equipment routing devices.

however now its sorted and I know it will mimble on till the hard drive is filled without needing to be restarted for updates every 2 weeks. It is the best tool for the job but unless you use it all day every day, you forget a lot.

XKCD sums it up xkcd: tar

One day I will open a port in so can stream music remotely. That will be fun...

One day 🙂 I remember that level of persistance when I was learning Linux and it does pay off. But is it worth it? Who knows.

 

[freax]

I have about 160GB of stuff on there. Updating the MPD database can be a bit slow, but everything else works so well that I put up with it.

There are plenty of fanless Atom motherboards now that run off a 12V wall adaptor and take SATA hard drives. I use these in my day job (running Linux) for industrial data logging, but they would make a great base for a player.

Failing that you can also just get a Core i3 2120-T or 4330-T and a generic LGA1155 motherboard. Power consumption then is 30 watts or less from the wall...

And they have onboard graphics on the chip so all you need is a motherboard with DVI or HDMI output.

Atoms are pretty cut down, read as in slow/clunky/choppy.

 

[Bob Richards]

Every new version of anything requires the user to spend a day learning the new arrangements. I hate that too. But I doubt if LINUX is unique in that way.

 

[29285]

Firefox has the same problem as Linux: the people who develop it seem to have as their goal in life to develop Firefox/Linux. They don't seem to understand ordinary people who simply want some reliable stable software to get a job done.

Why is it that the default layout of Firefox controls keeps changing? The bookmarks icon recently moved from the left (near the back/forward buttons) over to the right. Why? Their answer always seems to be that users can customise as they wish. Why should we have to keep doing this? One of the reasons we use non-MS software is because we got fed up with MS keep changing things for no apparent reason apart from introducing new security risks.

It would be a bit like audio fans who never listen to music but constantly change their setup, just because they can. Now that would be daft, wouldn't it?

Yes to all, I hate ff for exact that reason. With each update some of your plugins are not compatible any more, and the structure of the menues is re-organized arbitraryly - obviously without any systematic background.