I felt compelled to start its own thread, as it was just excruciating to hear.
I have been wanting to get the SACD versions of Genesis albums, but I was hesitant because of all the bad reviews it got online (although some people didn't mind the new remixes).
Got to have a listen with a friend who has a few of the Genesis' SACDs and a decent system.
Started with Nursery Cryme, and as soon as the first note of The Musical Box hit, I cringed....
I looked at the list of people who worked on this:
Produced by: John Anthony
Tape Jockey: Mike Stone
Recorded at: Trident Studios, London
5.1 Surround Sound and Stereo mixes: Nick Davis
Remastered by Tony Cousins
I don't know who on that list dropped the ball, but these tracks sound like a 12-year-old kid on sugar rush went to town with compression and EQ... there's clipping and ringing all over.
These tracks must have a DR rating of -3 !!!!
Katy Perry's albums almost seem dynamic compared to this!
Peter Gabriel's voice sounds like it's coming out of its nose, instead of its mouth.
I could go on and on... I even tried with a pair of headphones... it was just as bad. I asked to put the original CD on, to make sure I wasn't hearing his system... nope, the CD sounded fine.
Overall, it was probably the most atrocious experience I've heard. Probably didn't help that I'm a hardcore Genesis fan.
It's so sad that a beautiful progressive rock band with all of its intricacies, has been made to sound like an overdubbed rap band.
At the price they are asking for these things, I'll be saving my money for other toys... but I'll sure never buy those horrible SACD remixes.
Be warned.
I have been wanting to get the SACD versions of Genesis albums, but I was hesitant because of all the bad reviews it got online (although some people didn't mind the new remixes).
Got to have a listen with a friend who has a few of the Genesis' SACDs and a decent system.
Started with Nursery Cryme, and as soon as the first note of The Musical Box hit, I cringed....
I looked at the list of people who worked on this:
Produced by: John Anthony
Tape Jockey: Mike Stone
Recorded at: Trident Studios, London
5.1 Surround Sound and Stereo mixes: Nick Davis
Remastered by Tony Cousins
I don't know who on that list dropped the ball, but these tracks sound like a 12-year-old kid on sugar rush went to town with compression and EQ... there's clipping and ringing all over.
These tracks must have a DR rating of -3 !!!!
Katy Perry's albums almost seem dynamic compared to this!
Peter Gabriel's voice sounds like it's coming out of its nose, instead of its mouth.
I could go on and on... I even tried with a pair of headphones... it was just as bad. I asked to put the original CD on, to make sure I wasn't hearing his system... nope, the CD sounded fine.
Overall, it was probably the most atrocious experience I've heard. Probably didn't help that I'm a hardcore Genesis fan.
It's so sad that a beautiful progressive rock band with all of its intricacies, has been made to sound like an overdubbed rap band.
At the price they are asking for these things, I'll be saving my money for other toys... but I'll sure never buy those horrible SACD remixes.
Be warned.
I would say that early Genesis (e.g. proper genesis) doesn't have anything on the tapes that redbook can't squeeze out, so the only point in these would be if the surround mix added anything. Doesn't look like any of the original team were involved in this, so at least 2 red flags.
But some of the original releases were also compressed to buggery. Look at 'turn it on again'.
But in good news the latest Marillion Album is worth a listen 🙂
(closet progger).
But some of the original releases were also compressed to buggery. Look at 'turn it on again'.
But in good news the latest Marillion Album is worth a listen 🙂
(closet progger).
Listened to "The Return of the Giant Hogweed"... Peter's voice sounds exactly like Ozzy Osborne. The whole song is now an OzzFest. Ozzy fans will be going: "hey, I didn't know Ozzy sang for Genesis!"
I'll have a listen to the latest Marillion... thanks.
I'll have a listen to the latest Marillion... thanks.
I'll stick with the vinyl box set. No need to look any further 😀
Genesis 1970 - 1975 Vinyl Box-Set
5 Albums on 6 * 200 gr 1/2 Speed Mastered LP's
24-bit/96kHz | FLAC (seperated tracks)
Genre: ProgRock/Rock | 1970-75
The Box contains the following titles:
Trespass (1970); Nursery Crime (1971); Foxtrot (1972); Selling England by the Pound (1973) and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974)
Ripped in 24-bit/96 kHz
FLAC (seperated Tracks)
Mixed by Nick Davis, 2008 @The Farm, Survey
1/2 Speed Mastered "The Paradigm Process" at Metropolis Mastering by Tony Cousins & Tim Young
Great sounding new mix of Genesis' early studio work of the "Gabriel-Era". Forget about the old muddy sounding older releases... Here you get the greatest Genesis records in the best sounding version. Normally I'm not a fan of new mixed classic's because mostly they're sounding heavily compressed and equalized. But these records sound like I wished to hear them all the time. It turn some of the greatest ProgRock records into a great experience!!!
Technical Informations:
Music Hall MMF 5.1 Turntable
Goldring 1042 reference Cartridge
Belari VP-129 Tube Phono PreAmp with Sylvania 12AX7WA
Tascam US-144 external USB 2.0 Audiointerface
Interconnections by "Goldkabel"
Audacity 1.3.5 Recording Software
ClickRepair 3.0.1 with extremly light settings (DeClick 10/DeCrackle 0) has been used to remove some clicks present due to static charge of the vinyl.
Genesis 1970 - 1975 Vinyl Box-Set
5 Albums on 6 * 200 gr 1/2 Speed Mastered LP's
24-bit/96kHz | FLAC (seperated tracks)
Genre: ProgRock/Rock | 1970-75
The Box contains the following titles:
Trespass (1970); Nursery Crime (1971); Foxtrot (1972); Selling England by the Pound (1973) and The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (1974)
Ripped in 24-bit/96 kHz
FLAC (seperated Tracks)
Mixed by Nick Davis, 2008 @The Farm, Survey
1/2 Speed Mastered "The Paradigm Process" at Metropolis Mastering by Tony Cousins & Tim Young
Great sounding new mix of Genesis' early studio work of the "Gabriel-Era". Forget about the old muddy sounding older releases... Here you get the greatest Genesis records in the best sounding version. Normally I'm not a fan of new mixed classic's because mostly they're sounding heavily compressed and equalized. But these records sound like I wished to hear them all the time. It turn some of the greatest ProgRock records into a great experience!!!
Technical Informations:
Music Hall MMF 5.1 Turntable
Goldring 1042 reference Cartridge
Belari VP-129 Tube Phono PreAmp with Sylvania 12AX7WA
Tascam US-144 external USB 2.0 Audiointerface
Interconnections by "Goldkabel"
Audacity 1.3.5 Recording Software
ClickRepair 3.0.1 with extremly light settings (DeClick 10/DeCrackle 0) has been used to remove some clicks present due to static charge of the vinyl.
Looks like a keeper set!
So strange...
The same team that worked on the 2007 vinyl box sets remixes (and those are well-reviewed) also worked on the SACD release.
How come they did such a great job on the vinyl, but such a horrible job on the SACD???
So strange...
The same team that worked on the 2007 vinyl box sets remixes (and those are well-reviewed) also worked on the SACD release.
How come they did such a great job on the vinyl, but such a horrible job on the SACD???
I have originals and the 2008 set as downloads (so no surround mixes) will do some comparisions when I get a moment.
It's probably the same set I have (downloads). That info I posted is from the text file.
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