I want to add lettering for the names of switches and pots on the front panel of some test gear I've built. I thought I could use my computer to do the lettering, but there doesn't seem to be an easy program to use.
Autocad is way over the top to write "ON" and "OFF" in the right place, Windows Paint and Paint Shop Pro don't have the co-ordinate system to place the text in relation to the controls. Turbocad is difficult to learn and probably over the top in complexity.
It's a simple thing that I want, to draw an outline of the front panel, and write "ON" and "OFF in the right place. I spent two hours with Turbocad today and got nowhere.
How would you do it?
What programs do you use?
Autocad is way over the top to write "ON" and "OFF" in the right place, Windows Paint and Paint Shop Pro don't have the co-ordinate system to place the text in relation to the controls. Turbocad is difficult to learn and probably over the top in complexity.
It's a simple thing that I want, to draw an outline of the front panel, and write "ON" and "OFF in the right place. I spent two hours with Turbocad today and got nowhere.
How would you do it?
What programs do you use?
johnnyx said:
For tasks like these, i usually use Adobe Illustrator... but it is a bit of overkill if you don't already have it in your toolbox.
dave
Thanks
Why does it have to be so complicated?
Front designer looks good, inexpensive too, does all I want and more.🙂
Why does it have to be so complicated?
Front designer looks good, inexpensive too, does all I want and more.🙂
I understand why you think that AutoCAD is over the top. I love it however, and use it for everything that I can. I have a friend, Theatrical Technical Director, that actually makes all his calendars and work lists in AutoCAD because it gives him infinite control over placement of items and scaling.
Milo
Milo
A3rd.Zero said:
And grossly expensive ... around here Architects buy Vectorworks (which is a better & more capable program anyway) and the money they save vrs an AutoCad seat is enuff to pay for the workstation to put the CAD software on.
dave
A3rd.Zero said:
I know a guy who uses powerpoint for everything he does, for much the same reasons I suspect, he simply knows the package inside out.
johnnyx said:
These frontpanels are made by Schaeffer, Berlin.
You download the program and send the file and recieve the frontpanels - nice work
Shaeffer - Berlin
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As Jørn pointed out this program is free and you could print your
design. Isn´t this what you wanted johnnxx?
It is very easy to use.
Andreas
design. Isn´t this what you wanted johnnxx?
It is very easy to use.
Andreas
Oh no you didnt! Vectorworks! VECTORWORKS! you have got to be kidding me!
Actually AutoCAD is only grossly expensive in its 3d variant. The 2d version is only around $600. The 3d software however is absolutely, no question, the most flexible and spectacular 3d CAD rendering software out there IMHO. I have used Vectorworks and it defiantly has its place but it certainly lacks in the flexibility. For simple drawings Vectorworks is superior but as soon as things get even the smallest bit complex it starts to loose it luster. I know Lighting designers who swear by Vectorworks because of its ease of use but I dont know anyone who creates technical drawings (not pretty picture drawings) that use it. Not that those people use AutoCAD either but Vectorworks? No.
Sorry this was a ranting not meant to be a flame. I totally respect others choices of software I just happen to think that AutoCAD is the best piece of software ever (which I know is silly but the fact remains).
😀 (smiley just to show that Im not really a jerk, despite what the former may lead you to think)
Milo
Re: Re: Front Panel Artwork Software
They look very good, very professional. worth doing when I have a design that I want to keep as a permanent piece of equipment.
All my stuff so far has been of the "experimental/prototype" variety, I have some stick - on material suitable for laser printers that I intend to use. I tried the Front Designer program and it is very easy to use. I have a moving - coil meter that reads 0 - 20V, and I want it to read 0 - 30V; with this program it is easy to create a suitable scale. Not so when my friend tried to do it in Autocad.🙁 The Scheaffer cann't do this, it isn't front panel though.
Front designer is limited, perhaps, but does all that I want, and doesn't suffer from "feature bloat".
Thanks for all your help. Computers need good software, and it is difficult to find the right one; there are so many opinions.😀
medum said:
They look very good, very professional. worth doing when I have a design that I want to keep as a permanent piece of equipment.
All my stuff so far has been of the "experimental/prototype" variety, I have some stick - on material suitable for laser printers that I intend to use. I tried the Front Designer program and it is very easy to use. I have a moving - coil meter that reads 0 - 20V, and I want it to read 0 - 30V; with this program it is easy to create a suitable scale. Not so when my friend tried to do it in Autocad.🙁 The Scheaffer cann't do this, it isn't front panel though.
Front designer is limited, perhaps, but does all that I want, and doesn't suffer from "feature bloat".
Thanks for all your help. Computers need good software, and it is difficult to find the right one; there are so many opinions.😀
A3rd.Zero said:
My experience is only with Architects... some 70% of architects in this city use VectorWorks (on Macs). We get a lot of imports from the mainland, who only know AutoCad. Inveriably they complain at 1st... AutoCad is better. But within 6 months their attitude is, i don't know how i ever used that program -- i have not run across anyone who didn't become a convert.
dave
yeah, one of my best friends (lighting designer) is a convert, and he knows AutoCAD better than most people I know. However, he still uses AutoCAD exclusively for complex drawings and mechanical designs.
The one thing I can't get by, and I know its just me not the program, is that Vectorworks exists in scale and AutoCAD exists in true scale. It is just more comfortable for me to work in, especially if I am producing a drawing in different formats (E sheets, and A sheets). I also cant say enough about associated dimensions (if you change a wall thickness your dimensions move with it.)
Sorry for the thread-jacking, Ill stop now. 🙂
Milo
The one thing I can't get by, and I know its just me not the program, is that Vectorworks exists in scale and AutoCAD exists in true scale. It is just more comfortable for me to work in, especially if I am producing a drawing in different formats (E sheets, and A sheets). I also cant say enough about associated dimensions (if you change a wall thickness your dimensions move with it.)
Sorry for the thread-jacking, Ill stop now. 🙂
Milo
A3rd.Zero said:
I find that a nice feature... every layer can be a different scale... and that scale can be changed synamically... very nice for doing details on the same sheet.
When we i worked at the plotter service place, the 1:1 scale of DWGs was sometimes a real pain.
VW does that...
dave
A3rd.Zero said:
I guess you haven't seen solidworks or proEngineer at work before then?
3d CAD work...
Just thought Id put a picture in of my first cad modules coursework too 🙂 I used to think things like autocad and turbocad ruled a while back too, but these modern bits of software blew me away a bit! so simple to use but still do all you can think of 🙂
PS not afilliated with proe or solidworks at all etc etc. just one very impressed student
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Oh and on the line of the orioginal subject, it's amazing what you can do with word and its drawing tools + wordart etc.
Steve
Steve
Word Art?
I tried Word, Paint, Paint Shop Pro and Turbocad before posting the question. I just couldn't work out how to draw a rectangle 202mm X 54mm, in any of them. It's the absolute dimension part that was difficult. This was the important bit in my case, it has to fit. Ive already drilled the front panel where I want switches to go, and I want the labels to go in the right place.
I'm happy now that I've got something that does what I want with no messing about.🙂
I tried Word, Paint, Paint Shop Pro and Turbocad before posting the question. I just couldn't work out how to draw a rectangle 202mm X 54mm, in any of them. It's the absolute dimension part that was difficult. This was the important bit in my case, it has to fit. Ive already drilled the front panel where I want switches to go, and I want the labels to go in the right place.
I'm happy now that I've got something that does what I want with no messing about.🙂
I think turbocad has some boxes down the bottom of the screen that appear as you create rectangles and boxes etc so you can type in precise dimensions as you draw. I think you can type the corner points in the coordinates boxes down the bottom right too I think. its a few years since ive played with turbocad though so it might be different now. If youve got what you want now though thats the main thing 🙂
Steve
Steve
Yes it's very similar to modern 4-stroke model aeroplane engines, apart from the lack of valve gear cover obviously. It's only 9cc though (which I think is only around 0.6cu.in as opposed to the Saito's 1.8) It's actually a Vega V-twin probably designed a long long time ago (unsure of the designer, as I havent got the drawings with me at uni this term). This engine is designed to be machined all from solid, with no castings being used at all. So it's a pure diy engine, unless you're Laser of course, who I think are the only people not to use many castings these days for model engines. Sorry for this going so far off topic! hehe
Steve
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