Hi,
In case anyone is interested. I have just finished a double bass reflex box using a Fostex FX120 driver. The building plan and a picture is attached. There is a bit of damping in the smaller chamber and none in the larger. I did not use any correction network. So there is just plain wire between the amp and the driver. I used 16mm birch plywood for the box.
I broke them in using a 16Hz test tone for about a day. After that the sound was balanced. I have placed them fairly close to the wall. About 15cm.
Sound: Very subjective of course, but I think very clean, extremely detailed and very live like direct sound. Astonishing bass performance, but below 50Hz is missing. Voices sound just fantastic. Jazz music with them is awesome and very realistic. Miles sounds like he is performing in my living room. Classical music I did not try, but pop, rock etc. sound also great. They also can go loud.
Best
Michael
In case anyone is interested. I have just finished a double bass reflex box using a Fostex FX120 driver. The building plan and a picture is attached. There is a bit of damping in the smaller chamber and none in the larger. I did not use any correction network. So there is just plain wire between the amp and the driver. I used 16mm birch plywood for the box.
I broke them in using a 16Hz test tone for about a day. After that the sound was balanced. I have placed them fairly close to the wall. About 15cm.
Sound: Very subjective of course, but I think very clean, extremely detailed and very live like direct sound. Astonishing bass performance, but below 50Hz is missing. Voices sound just fantastic. Jazz music with them is awesome and very realistic. Miles sounds like he is performing in my living room. Classical music I did not try, but pop, rock etc. sound also great. They also can go loud.
Best
Michael
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nice art.
How much bass are you expecting from 66.5cm2" ?????????????
But, congrats, it looks really nice.
How's the phase wrap in the male voice ?
Do you hear it ?
What are the 2 frequencies that it is tuned to ?
The double tuning seems to be a great tool to reduce excursion (always a plus!).
Maybe someday I'll try some fx120's, but not this year.
Norman
How much bass are you expecting from 66.5cm2" ?????????????
But, congrats, it looks really nice.
How's the phase wrap in the male voice ?
Do you hear it ?
What are the 2 frequencies that it is tuned to ?
The double tuning seems to be a great tool to reduce excursion (always a plus!).
Maybe someday I'll try some fx120's, but not this year.
Norman
I do not hear any phase wrap in male voices. Louis Armstrong sounds natural and so does Buble, or Eagles, Tom Petty etc.
As for the tuning, the smaller chamber is tuned to 100Hz, the second and larger one to 60 Hz. (Also see the enclosure plan).
By the way, I was not complaining about lack of base. On the contrary. Bass is well defined, not boomy, dry and with enough umpf. you can pysically feel it. When sitting at the listening position everything is fine. What I meant was, they dont make the house shake 🙂
Michael
Certainly a robust sounding speaker, probably #1 in the bass department for that size driver.
I tried to make Double - DBR boxes, Ha! sounds like me, but it didn't work as well as hoped, the sound was just confusing 😕
(the bottom half makes a good stand, removed the drivers)
Nice wood work! You should try that driver in a Onken, you'll be surprised:
(1) you won't lose much bass
(2) they will image a whole lot better
I tried to make Double - DBR boxes, Ha! sounds like me, but it didn't work as well as hoped, the sound was just confusing 😕
(the bottom half makes a good stand, removed the drivers)
Nice wood work! You should try that driver in a Onken, you'll be surprised:
(1) you won't lose much bass
(2) they will image a whole lot better
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Hi,
these are the recomended enclosures, that came with the driver, aren't they?
If so, tried them, but for me bass just was not right...
Now mine run in a QB5 enclosure and a sub below 80Hz, much better to me.
But I could never position them close to the backwall, maybe this makes a big difference?
Michael
these are the recomended enclosures, that came with the driver, aren't they?
If so, tried them, but for me bass just was not right...
Now mine run in a QB5 enclosure and a sub below 80Hz, much better to me.
But I could never position them close to the backwall, maybe this makes a big difference?
Michael
The cabinet design is the one that comes with the drivers. Free standing the bass is too lean. Placed fairly close, about 10-15cm, off the back wall the bass works well. Placement makes a huge difference.
Placeing them close to the wall also improves the WAF 🙂
Michael
Placeing them close to the wall also improves the WAF 🙂
Michael
Hope this doesn't go much off-topic: I am wondering if anyone had a chance to compare FX120 and FE103-En at higher ovtaves? Say above 5 kHz. One particular point in mind is that the moving mass of 103 is half of mms of 120. Being very happy with 103 above 500 Hz, crossed with first order active filter, I am thinking baybe I should give a try to 120 and reduce my xo point?? My 103 run on OB btw...
I've neither, but I'd imagine the 103 would work better in that application of 500hz 6db.
I think with a 6db, you could try for a lower X-over point with a larger (but heavier) driver. And without a whizzer, I'd imagine the highs and ultra highs would be worse, and less dispersion up high.
Norman
I think with a 6db, you could try for a lower X-over point with a larger (but heavier) driver. And without a whizzer, I'd imagine the highs and ultra highs would be worse, and less dispersion up high.
Norman
Could be the small Top Box, yes.
The cone is very thin, so I think internal reflections might leak to the outside..
Michael
The cone is very thin, so I think internal reflections might leak to the outside..
Michael
I wonder how a fx120 sounds open baffled ?
It'd need some bass support, maybe even cross it 6db................
Norman
It'd need some bass support, maybe even cross it 6db................
Norman
The bass is strong anyway, I wish Fostex had supplied plans for a FL - not a DBR.
I don't know Norm, I don't think it what you are looking for.
I don't know Norm, I don't think it what you are looking for.
Imho in an OB it sound very nice!
I tried it with an Xo-point of around 300Hz.
Nice midrange and imaging
Michael
I tried it with an Xo-point of around 300Hz.
Nice midrange and imaging
Michael
An FL? 😕
On the principle that I suspect somebody is going to ask at some point or other:
Left hand column: Fostex design sans damping.
Middle column: Fostex design with damping.
Right hand column: with electrodes attached to testicles, my prefered DBR alignment for the FX120 if a box of roughly similar size is required.
On the principle that I suspect somebody is going to ask at some point or other:
Left hand column: Fostex design sans damping.
Middle column: Fostex design with damping.
Right hand column: with electrodes attached to testicles, my prefered DBR alignment for the FX120 if a box of roughly similar size is required.
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an image even a graying balding senior with STML will need some help wiping .... what were you talking about, Kylie you say?
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funny you mentioned the DBR - isn't that where our friend Doug started off, just over a year ago (memory's a bit foggy - must be the Jameson)
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