I am looking for drawings of a cabinet for a combination of a diamond tweeter (Accuton) and a ceramic midrange. Thes loudspeakers are meant to be used in combination with one premium sub. This arrangement because my living room is not suited for 2 big cabinets.
And as we live in a very moist climate, paper/papyrus might not be the best alternative for the drivers. I will be pondering about the sub while I do these 2.
Anyone having proposals/drawings for such cabinets?
And as we live in a very moist climate, paper/papyrus might not be the best alternative for the drivers. I will be pondering about the sub while I do these 2.
Anyone having proposals/drawings for such cabinets?
That would be a very pricey combination. Not a bad one though.
Have you heard these before??
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Have you heard these before??
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I'm also curious if you have any idea of the tweeter price alone, I wasn't able to find a source for it with pricing.
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Ive heard Raals, ribbons, ES, compressions, etc.
Also heard plasma discharge (Way too many years ago to make valid reference though).
I prefer the diamonds (Jantzen).
Best way I can describe them is they have no character.
They just produce treble from thin air.
Clean, clear, undistorted.
For me they are perfect.
Haven't found their power limits yet.
Not that I want to.
Price, down here with freight the pair was Au$4,000.
Cheaper than the seas version which from memory is around Au$6,000
The info pdf on them and their construction says their a Vapor deposition dome, made on a silica form that is later washed out in an acid bath.
So the 'diamond' dome is just that. No substrate material.
Also heard plasma discharge (Way too many years ago to make valid reference though).
I prefer the diamonds (Jantzen).
Best way I can describe them is they have no character.
They just produce treble from thin air.
Clean, clear, undistorted.
For me they are perfect.
Haven't found their power limits yet.
Not that I want to.
Price, down here with freight the pair was Au$4,000.
Cheaper than the seas version which from memory is around Au$6,000
The info pdf on them and their construction says their a Vapor deposition dome, made on a silica form that is later washed out in an acid bath.
So the 'diamond' dome is just that. No substrate material.
Cool! The "treble from thin air" is the same as the Mundorf AMT's.
I'm afraid there are a lot of "world class" tweeters I have yet to experience, a good diamond dome is among them! ( hahahahahah ) I would love to hear the Jantzens and be able to directly compare.
Did you do any measurements, especially around compression?
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I'm afraid there are a lot of "world class" tweeters I have yet to experience, a good diamond dome is among them! ( hahahahahah ) I would love to hear the Jantzens and be able to directly compare.
Did you do any measurements, especially around compression?
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There is well reviewed experimental data which concludes that experienced listeners can identify the physical location of a woofer in a room starting at 60Hz, and that most listeners can identify the physical location of a woofer in a room starting at 80Hz.
Since the best Accuton midrange drivers will not reach down to 60Hz, and probably not even down to 80Hz, a pair of 3-way speakers, each with a musical woofer, is required for "diamond-worthy" sound. A few famous/smart designers have selected to clone the low diffraction Avalon shape truncated pyramid to build 3-way speakers with Accuton drivers. Google will find complete designs, including cabinet construction details which a woodshop could follow. You might have reviewed the Avalon Eidolon Diamond.
Locating the woofer on the cabinet side panel will allow a narrow front baffle, plus simple diy-construction using either top edge bevels or edge round-overs for diffraction control. The Lansche 4x2 speaker is one example.
For your humid climate, Aluminum cone woofers are worth investigation, since Accuton ceramic cone woofers are VERY expensive.
ScanSpeak has a few low inductance motor musical woofers, including modest cost Discovery. 2-3 cuft of volume is required, with good bass response in either ported or sealed alignments.
Scan-Speak Revelator 26W/8867T 10" Woofer Black Aluminum Cone
Scan-Speak Discovery 26W/8534G 10" Aluminum Cone Woofer
Scan-Speak Discovery 26W/4534G 10" Aluminum Cone Woofer
Several vendors offer excellent Al-woofs.
Since the best Accuton midrange drivers will not reach down to 60Hz, and probably not even down to 80Hz, a pair of 3-way speakers, each with a musical woofer, is required for "diamond-worthy" sound. A few famous/smart designers have selected to clone the low diffraction Avalon shape truncated pyramid to build 3-way speakers with Accuton drivers. Google will find complete designs, including cabinet construction details which a woodshop could follow. You might have reviewed the Avalon Eidolon Diamond.
Locating the woofer on the cabinet side panel will allow a narrow front baffle, plus simple diy-construction using either top edge bevels or edge round-overs for diffraction control. The Lansche 4x2 speaker is one example.
For your humid climate, Aluminum cone woofers are worth investigation, since Accuton ceramic cone woofers are VERY expensive.
ScanSpeak has a few low inductance motor musical woofers, including modest cost Discovery. 2-3 cuft of volume is required, with good bass response in either ported or sealed alignments.
Scan-Speak Revelator 26W/8867T 10" Woofer Black Aluminum Cone
Scan-Speak Discovery 26W/8534G 10" Aluminum Cone Woofer
Scan-Speak Discovery 26W/4534G 10" Aluminum Cone Woofer
Several vendors offer excellent Al-woofs.
Ohlala,
I'm curuious why you are specifying a midrange and not a mid-woofer?
Accuton does have 6.5" ceramic woofers that will do 50-ish.
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...on-c173-6-191e-6.5-ceramic-cut-cone-mid/bass/
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I'm curuious why you are specifying a midrange and not a mid-woofer?
Accuton does have 6.5" ceramic woofers that will do 50-ish.
https://www.madisoundspeakerstore.c...on-c173-6-191e-6.5-ceramic-cut-cone-mid/bass/
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E
Erik, sorry by compression I meant compression drivers.
Off all the types of drivers I've heard, i still prefer dynamic drivers.
Yes other types have their own advantages.
But to me 'flat' panels sound just that, flat, lifeless, un-involving.
Troels hints in one of his constructions that he wonders how the accuton mids would go as a two way without a dedicated bass driver.
Theres Maarten speakers that use accuton ceramics.
But why would anyone expect a MID driver to deliver Bass ?
Everything has it's limits.
Off all the types of drivers I've heard, i still prefer dynamic drivers.
Yes other types have their own advantages.
But to me 'flat' panels sound just that, flat, lifeless, un-involving.
Troels hints in one of his constructions that he wonders how the accuton mids would go as a two way without a dedicated bass driver.
Theres Maarten speakers that use accuton ceramics.
But why would anyone expect a MID driver to deliver Bass ?
Everything has it's limits.
Don't use a real midrange driver for a 2-way + sub. It will sound thin/nasal.
Much better to use a bass-mid driver, even Troels used a bass-mid in his Accuton diamond.
My reason for wishing a diamond and a ceramic, is that I fancy/believe that they to a greater degree gives a crispy, crystal clear sound. I am not searching for «warm» sound (or anything like that). I have never systematically listened to and compared loudspeakers.
Hey Ohlala,
Please yourself in your tastes. 🙂 My question was more about why a "MIDRANGE" instead of a "MID-WOOFER"
Midrange is usually around 200Hz-->4kHz (of course, VERY GENERAL)
But an Acuton mid-woofer could do 60Hz --> 2kHz or so. A much more typical combo for a satellite/sub system you are envisioning. This is what Mundorf does with the MA30 kit which uses a 6.5" Acuton mid-woofer.
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Please yourself in your tastes. 🙂 My question was more about why a "MIDRANGE" instead of a "MID-WOOFER"
Midrange is usually around 200Hz-->4kHz (of course, VERY GENERAL)
But an Acuton mid-woofer could do 60Hz --> 2kHz or so. A much more typical combo for a satellite/sub system you are envisioning. This is what Mundorf does with the MA30 kit which uses a 6.5" Acuton mid-woofer.
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E
Have you compare these to a Be tweet? Kind of curious, as I've only heard the B&W diamonds
I was going to say no, but I have heard a beryllium.
Yamaha ns1000.
I really liked them as a speaker overall.
Very clean sound.
Much better after a crossover upgrade.
I'd still rate the cvd diamond tweeters as better.
BUT, this is subjective as the crossover will also play a large roll in the perceived sound.
And not everyone has the same preference in sound character..
I thought I read that the Be drivers in the pre-NS10k model were Be on a substrate. Only in the latest and greatest gen was it a pure Be tweeter.... I could be missing details though! 🙂
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For fun, a little more on the Yamaha Be drivers and the NS10k (I'm using the K because it's easier to tell than 10000 vs. 1000)
Yamaha NSX-10000 on thevintageknob.org
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Yamaha NSX-10000 on thevintageknob.org
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