Can an armlift be omitted without the danger of scratching the record when manually lifting / lowering the tone-arm in daily use? Asking because I'm fitting a thorens td160 with an ortofon as212 and the only way to get the armlift working would be rather drastical surgery (cutting into the steel subchassis etcetera). If it wasn't obvious already; I'm new to vinyl 🙂
Simon
Simon
Arm lifts -- a pain in the butt... i never use them, and i've often found myself checking connections etc to find why there is no sound, only to find someone used the cueing.
dave
dave
I use a delicate little tangential air bearing arm and its got no arm lift.
It also has no rest so if the needle isnt in the groove i have to replace the stylus guard, every time i change sides!
Personaly, ill be fitting a lift and a rest support 🙂
But, by no means needed, if i can cue my arm then you can cue a pivoting arm.
It also has no rest so if the needle isnt in the groove i have to replace the stylus guard, every time i change sides!
Personaly, ill be fitting a lift and a rest support 🙂
But, by no means needed, if i can cue my arm then you can cue a pivoting arm.
My $0.02
I never used to use the cueing lever. Now my Blue Point Special has a lovely, and expensive, after-market stylus and cantilever from Garrott Brothers, and very relieved I was that they could salvage the thing at all after I snapped the original one. I now use the cueing lever.
And I sometimes now find myself in Dave's position, having turned the record over, set the tonearm down, and returned to my chair with a glass of wine, happily listening to the first few bars of...silence? And grumbling got back up to trigger the cueing.
I will say that the cueing lever on my TT (Linn Sondek) works very well, with no drift as the arm descends. On a previous table this was very much a nuisance, and part of the reason why I stopped using the things for a while.
@graeme uk: no armrest?
Scary.
Regards.
Aengus
I never used to use the cueing lever. Now my Blue Point Special has a lovely, and expensive, after-market stylus and cantilever from Garrott Brothers, and very relieved I was that they could salvage the thing at all after I snapped the original one. I now use the cueing lever.
And I sometimes now find myself in Dave's position, having turned the record over, set the tonearm down, and returned to my chair with a glass of wine, happily listening to the first few bars of...silence? And grumbling got back up to trigger the cueing.
I will say that the cueing lever on my TT (Linn Sondek) works very well, with no drift as the arm descends. On a previous table this was very much a nuisance, and part of the reason why I stopped using the things for a while.
@graeme uk: no armrest?

Scary.
Regards.
Aengus
I don't use the armlift on my tonearm, but in more than 20 years I have never had any trouble either in scratching a record or in damaging a cartridge while raising or lowering the arm manually. I did try the lift (on a Rega RB-300), but I found that I could place and remove the cartridge more quickly and, in the case of lowering, more accurately by hand. To be sure, it took me a little bit to become completely comfortable doing this. But, once again, I've never had any trouble.
JPO
JPO
Thank you all for the input; the armlift is going then... I love it when things can be simplified.
Simon
Simon
Re: My $0.02
I know, its a pain!
I just havent got round to making one yet 🙂
Aengus said:I never used to use the cueing lever. Now my Blue Point Special has a lovely, and expensive, after-market stylus and cantilever from Garrott Brothers, and very relieved I was that they could salvage the thing at all after I snapped the original one. I now use the cueing lever.
And I sometimes now find myself in Dave's position, having turned the record over, set the tonearm down, and returned to my chair with a glass of wine, happily listening to the first few bars of...silence? And grumbling got back up to trigger the cueing.
I will say that the cueing lever on my TT (Linn Sondek) works very well, with no drift as the arm descends. On a previous table this was very much a nuisance, and part of the reason why I stopped using the things for a while.
@graeme uk: no armrest?![]()
Scary.
Regards.
Aengus
I know, its a pain!

I just havent got round to making one yet 🙂
Oh, and no queing handle thing either, to cue i have to balance my hand and gentle press down on the rear of the arm to raise the cartridge. Then slide the stylus protector on, then change sides 🙂
I know, its a pain!
Nonetheless, a beautiful job on the arm; very nice engineering.
Regards.
Aengus
My arm doesn't have a lif/lower device and I haven't used one in 15 years or so - never miss it and never damaged a cartridge or record.
Aengus said:
Nonetheless, a beautiful job on the arm; very nice engineering.
Regards.
Aengus
Not in real life😀
The arm is a complete lash up, rough sawn blocks of wood, screws and araldite!
Ill be remaking it soon.
Just finished the slate plinth and shelve capable of holding a 65 kilo turntable😱
Sounds ace though!
hear Ye, hear Ye...old Aengus et al...
good arm lifts/cueing may be one o fthe toughest things to do on a tonearm. So , I prefer none. And not even a little tab to lift the arm by, cause some sound bad.
having said that, one can easily be built . And the "lash up" looks excellent graeme uk
stew
good arm lifts/cueing may be one o fthe toughest things to do on a tonearm. So , I prefer none. And not even a little tab to lift the arm by, cause some sound bad.
having said that, one can easily be built . And the "lash up" looks excellent graeme uk
stew
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