With great joy i have enjoyed a pair of AN Super 10 in the 2.8 cbft enclosures recommended.
However i want a little more and something more exotic....would like to have a bit of the whoooo factor😀
Anyway after reading about the Goldwood 1858 woofer in a H Frame i was wondering if anyone could suggest a possible combination with the AN Super10.
I will build the H frame for the 1858 but how should i use the AN 10, in a sealed box, or OB
What size sealed? what size OB?
What crossover point for the 1858 and Super10?
All help and suggestions are most welcomed
Tony
However i want a little more and something more exotic....would like to have a bit of the whoooo factor😀
Anyway after reading about the Goldwood 1858 woofer in a H Frame i was wondering if anyone could suggest a possible combination with the AN Super10.
I will build the H frame for the 1858 but how should i use the AN 10, in a sealed box, or OB
What size sealed? what size OB?
What crossover point for the 1858 and Super10?
All help and suggestions are most welcomed
Tony
Required reading:
Jordan JX92S OB with a Goldwood GW-1858 Woofer in an H Frame Project
I would go open baffle all the way if you have the space for it. You will need to bi-amp with those drivers.
Jordan JX92S OB with a Goldwood GW-1858 Woofer in an H Frame Project
I would go open baffle all the way if you have the space for it. You will need to bi-amp with those drivers.
with some tailoring of AN10 that should be fun OB with GW1858 - I've one AN10 in a little K-coupler and it plays a bass drum quite well within its excursion and overall tone is better than 70 liter 42hz tuned reflex which has no punch
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interesting
I had not thought of the AN in a K coupler.
Can you email me the specs so i can give a go at making it please?
In the current enclosure i find the bass to be somewhat on a diet😀!
I am not saying i want tons of it, but as i listen to a wide variety of music, so i find that it is somewhat lacking , especially when you take into account its a 10" driver.
I had not thought of the AN in a K coupler.
Can you email me the specs so i can give a go at making it please?
In the current enclosure i find the bass to be somewhat on a diet😀!
I am not saying i want tons of it, but as i listen to a wide variety of music, so i find that it is somewhat lacking , especially when you take into account its a 10" driver.
here's basic dimensions of that coupler from a 1965 "X15" - I think the 3 piece reflector could be simplified to one basic panel and a top deflector. It might not go as "deep" small signal on a graph as a reflex but can have more usable power and better damping of cone motion.
X15 rough sketch to eventually be made into a readible plan
X15 rough sketch to eventually be made into a readible plan
thank you
Great stuff Freddi
i will try to decifere the picture you sent, although i am having a hard time understanding it.....🙄
do you have a better diagram, more explicit
more dimensions?
Great stuff Freddi
i will try to decifere the picture you sent, although i am having a hard time understanding it.....🙄
do you have a better diagram, more explicit
more dimensions?
Hi Preiter What about using the Super10 in a OB!
i have read the thread and although its quite easy to understand what i am not grasping is how to begin calculating the baffle for the Super10?
THe sub is easy, copy paste🙂 but the matching to the Super10 is the problem1
what about using just the Super10, will it have decent results?
Or what about using it ia a Moose Family BVR, Chang?
i have read the thread and although its quite easy to understand what i am not grasping is how to begin calculating the baffle for the Super10?
THe sub is easy, copy paste🙂 but the matching to the Super10 is the problem1
what about using just the Super10, will it have decent results?
Or what about using it ia a Moose Family BVR, Chang?
If, like the MJK project, you are cutting the full-ranger off around 200 Hz, the baffle isn't so much of an issue. The same size baffle should work. You can play around with "the edge" baffle simulator if you like.
The thing that makes the Super10 different from the JX92 is that it is too sensitive to mate up with the Goldwood 1858 with a passive crossover. You will need to bi-amp so that you can set the gain individually on the two drivers.
hi tonytex - I didn't "send" anything but that link had some info - perhaps some confusing - so maybe this is a bit better. I believe I've got AN10's adapter board center on the same center as the 15" cutout. Its better for me than my 70 liter 42Hz reflex which has no useful power at all with 1mm xmax
X15 copy one of which holds a Super10 - of course the waveguide isn't needed with AN10's excellent HF extension
My X15 had this vent system but apparently they varied and usually had a rear-shelf lowpass choke
Aperture details - divide by 2 to make a wing
X15 coupler Slot Width (starting at top and going down in 1" increments)
Zero - initial gap = 0.5"
1" down; width = 0.46875'
2'" down, width = 0.5625"
3" down, width = 0.6875"
4" down, width = 0.875"
5" down, width = 1.125"
6" down, width = 1.9375"
7" down, width = 1.78125"
8" down, width = 2.15625"
9" down, width = 2.625"
10" down, width = 3.125"
11" down, width = 3.65625"
12" down, width = 4.25"
13" down, width = 4.9375"
14" down, width = 5.5625"
15" down, width = 6.3125"
16" down, width = 7.125"
17" down, width = 7.9375"
18" down, width = 8.84375'
19" down, width = 9.875"
20" down, width = 10.8125"
21" down, width = 11.875"
22" down, width = 12.9375"
23" down, width = 14.125"
24" down, width = 15.28125"
25" down, width = 16.53125
26" down, width = 17.75"
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Side Dimensions
Front Dimensions
X15 copy one of which holds a Super10 - of course the waveguide isn't needed with AN10's excellent HF extension
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
My X15 had this vent system but apparently they varied and usually had a rear-shelf lowpass choke
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Aperture details - divide by 2 to make a wing
X15 coupler Slot Width (starting at top and going down in 1" increments)
Zero - initial gap = 0.5"
1" down; width = 0.46875'
2'" down, width = 0.5625"
3" down, width = 0.6875"
4" down, width = 0.875"
5" down, width = 1.125"
6" down, width = 1.9375"
7" down, width = 1.78125"
8" down, width = 2.15625"
9" down, width = 2.625"
10" down, width = 3.125"
11" down, width = 3.65625"
12" down, width = 4.25"
13" down, width = 4.9375"
14" down, width = 5.5625"
15" down, width = 6.3125"
16" down, width = 7.125"
17" down, width = 7.9375"
18" down, width = 8.84375'
19" down, width = 9.875"
20" down, width = 10.8125"
21" down, width = 11.875"
22" down, width = 12.9375"
23" down, width = 14.125"
24" down, width = 15.28125"
25" down, width = 16.53125
26" down, width = 17.75"
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Side Dimensions
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Front Dimensions
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thank you
Freddi
Thank you first and foremost for the info!
i have now a better understanding of the Karlson speaker boxes and even found the plans for the Karlson 15.
How is it different to your X15 plans?
do you think the AN 10 will work well there?
I am really curious to see how the AN will perform as i must admit that the BR boxes have been a bit of a dissapointment.
Also found plans for the K12, would this be better suited for the AN, or just go for the bigger 15" Karlson box for the ultimate bass😀
regards....sorry for all the questions?🙂
Freddi
Thank you first and foremost for the info!
i have now a better understanding of the Karlson speaker boxes and even found the plans for the Karlson 15.
How is it different to your X15 plans?
do you think the AN 10 will work well there?
I am really curious to see how the AN will perform as i must admit that the BR boxes have been a bit of a dissapointment.
Also found plans for the K12, would this be better suited for the AN, or just go for the bigger 15" Karlson box for the ultimate bass😀
regards....sorry for all the questions?🙂
I've had AN10 in K15 and in played pretty well but I felt its just too large for AN10. K15 is ~7.7 cubic foot in external bulk while X15 is 4.3 cubic feet in external bulk. X15 with AN10 sounded pretty good on difficult percussion while cone excursion remained reasonable - I doubt if it "goes low" but the ability to play a strong transient can outweigh imo getting one-note bass reflex droning action. You may or may not like Karlson-couplers. I feel they deserve a strong placing in loudspeaker enclosure types and sometimes above blh or reflex. One Karlson builder uses a rough estimate for rear chamber volume to be (Vas*fs*qts)/50 and that just about fits AN10's parameters into the X15 rear chamber.
Freddi interesting what you mentioned about the sizes.
Following your thought wont the K12 then be a good option for the AN10?
I am sorry for the questions but i am just trying to understand the Karlson concept better, as there not too much info available about them , that will easily be understood!
Following your thought wont the K12 then be a good option for the AN10?
I am sorry for the questions but i am just trying to understand the Karlson concept better, as there not too much info available about them , that will easily be understood!
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Hi there Freddi: With regard to post #11 above, do you have a feel for adapting the formula for Karlson rear volume= (Vas*fs)/50 to be applicable for the front chamber? I always credit the applicable source for information I present: are you at liberity to credit the formula to someone? regards, Michael
hi Michael - on the bottom resonance of the front chamber, maybe a bandpass program along with an estimate of front chamber volume and aperture area is a rough start in a BP simulator. Carl Neuser experiments with Karlson-type and provided that starting point for rear chamber - Vbr=(Vas*fs*qts)/fc and he usually sets fc at 50Hz. Typically, the vented Karlson couplers have front chambers ~1/2 the volume of the rear chamber. Its a strange resonator where the "volume" at the bottom is going to zero while the aperture is opened up to full width. Here's one of Carl's smaller driver couplers - he said its 28" tall and employs a slotted tube Karlson waveguide
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