ALSA and JACKD S/PDIF output

I have some motherboardS with either optical or coaxial spdif output that I would like to use as the only output but all of them have this problem with alsa :
although aplay -l show the spdif subdevice I can not choose it it does not appear in alsamixer or qjackctl devices available.
can someone help me a bit with this alsa simple problem (I can remove jackd if that helps) ?
 
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Also, please post the MFG and model of the motherboard. I once had a mobo that had reconfigurable audio outputs and under Ubuntu some special 3rd party (e.g. from GitHub) software was needed to change the config from the default. I think it was a board from ASROCK. Also, is digital audio output enabled in the bios?
 
If using jackd, you do not want to configure the desired device as default. In fact, you want to disable it in pulseaudio/pipewire so that these daemons do not grab the sound device, making it inaccessible for jackd.

If the devices are listed in aplay -l and not grabbed by PA/PW, they wil be available for jackd. What alsa device name did you configure in that qjackctl alsa config screen I linked above?