Has anyone noticed, that you cannot get schematics let alone buy parts i.e. toroidal transformers etc for Dayton products. PE is a joke. Talk about shooting your self in the foot. Dayton products that you cannot buy parts for is ridiculous. But I guess that's how there making there millions, on junk you cannot repair. Just throw it away and buy more junk from PE. What a racket! 👎😡
Well no, Adcom, Krell, and other high end audio designers, understand that by supplying schematics / parts, sells there product, because wouldn't you want your high priced power amplifier etc. able to be repaired by a repair shop, instead of throwing it away.
Let's not forget about all those makers of consumer products that have the parts and documentation available, but only provide it to their "authorized service centers". And many who do sell to the general public, charge such ridiculous prices that the cheaper option is to toss it and buy a new one. Such a waste. This is the reason the "Right to Repair" movement and legislation are developing.
Yes I know about that, which is understandable, for they do not want other Company's doing reverse engineering. But on the same token there is many company's that produce high quality products, that want there units repaired, which in turn is a good marketing tool. People would like to get there units repaired after the warranty runs out by a reputable repair station. And if one cannot do that, it sure shed's a dim light on there product. At least personally I sure would think twice about purchasing a unit I cannot get repaired if it break's. I have been repairing electronic audio amps for over 50 years, and to me if no schematics / parts are available it is a boat anchor. Nor would I recommend the product to anyone.
Dayton sub amps put in the same category as Adcom or Krell? Dont make me laugh. Price difference reflects what you get. It’s not high end and was never intended to be. Want a better amp that that? Either build one or shell out.
I’ve been repairing stuff for not 50 but over 40 years, most of the time without any documentation at all. It’s all either vintage gear, or stuff that was designed according to the same principles. If it’s not I won’t even touch it.
I’ve been repairing stuff for not 50 but over 40 years, most of the time without any documentation at all. It’s all either vintage gear, or stuff that was designed according to the same principles. If it’s not I won’t even touch it.
No, I put Dayton product's in the category of China junk, like you said you get what you pay for. So when it breaks throw it away.
Well then, what's the point? The company won't change their policies after a rant.
Hugo
No sense in complaining about it if you knew what you were getting. Some people actually EXPECT high end performance and reliability out of these things and are are shocked when it doesn‘t happen. You sounded shocked from the initial post.
What’s so special about that toroidal transformer anyway? A bunch of auxiliary windings and taps that you will NEVER find off the shelf? Try buying a trafo for a QSC class H amp. Eight f***ing identical windings - there is no off the shelf solution in a single unit. Other than buying a Toroid Corp kit with the prewound primary and doing the rest yourself. If the problem is low power auxiliary windings they can usually be wrapped over a standard Antek unit - I do this all the time with for my own DIY.
What’s so special about that toroidal transformer anyway? A bunch of auxiliary windings and taps that you will NEVER find off the shelf? Try buying a trafo for a QSC class H amp. Eight f***ing identical windings - there is no off the shelf solution in a single unit. Other than buying a Toroid Corp kit with the prewound primary and doing the rest yourself. If the problem is low power auxiliary windings they can usually be wrapped over a standard Antek unit - I do this all the time with for my own DIY.
The point is. Why would you buy something that can't be repaired. Unless your into self punishment. I did not buy this nor would I. It is a customers. Even though it's cheap junk, no one likes a boat anchor. And your right, most company's don't care. at least Dayton anyway.
That whole line of finished home audio products is geared toward kit builders and people who dabble. Serious users buy raw drivers not their amplifiers - and usually the better ones - and build. May build a real amp or buy a good one, depending on how far they take things.
Your customer may have been expecting miracles. I wont make that particular mistake.
Your customer may have been expecting miracles. I wont make that particular mistake.
Does Dayton actually make anything? Last I knew they just purchased the rights to put their name on stuff. Look at the Dayton TT, several other "brands" all exactly the same, except color and style of knob.