OK. It is a lot about voices playback I often found more enjoyable and coherent despite my TV is a basic planar than fires its sound from the back towards the (sounding) front wall... with most of the time a space gap of few inches ?
Are there experiences of stereo loudspeakers that fire toward the center of a front wall ? How the guys in TV devices designers plants design that to be good enough ? 100 hz to 6 k hz from a single FR and you're ok ?
I'd like the playback experience of my hifi was as confortable as my TV for voices coherency ! And not sure my hifi is crap for whose whom would ask...
Are there experiences of stereo loudspeakers that fire toward the center of a front wall ? How the guys in TV devices designers plants design that to be good enough ? 100 hz to 6 k hz from a single FR and you're ok ?
I'd like the playback experience of my hifi was as confortable as my TV for voices coherency ! And not sure my hifi is crap for whose whom would ask...
The problem seems to be that hifi audio designers totally bonk when confronted with the old pa system performance metric of Intelligibility. It interferes with their life philosophy because when you are trying to hear what someone is saying anything below 100hz or above several k is nonsense.
If you like the way your TV sounds, you are very fortunate.
Most are pure dreck.
Most are pure dreck.
it is all about the soundstage... find the voice really natural through my basic TV, room is very damped (wood and carpets as complex shapes furnitures everywhere)
The sound from my newer 65" LG TV is remarkably good. So good, in fact, that I have yet to hook up the amp and speakers to it after my move nine months ago.
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Well I have an LG, basic Led circa 100 cm diagonal, yet with wifi. Alas spidf toslink, not copper. Back is 26 cm so circa 10 inch from the front wall. Sound is not as powerfull than my previous Philips cathodic tube TV but is very coherent. not highs and lows extendts, but good from a soundstage point of view according the screen : so not wild width but coherent around the TV and naturally full up the room at low spl volume listening... very non fatiguing. Not enough for music but still very good for voices : I am watching the (nex) Dune movie just trough the TV and it is pretty cool... not as huge as a home theater of course while very confortable acoustically.
Hence wonder if it is worthing experiments with speakers firering towards a central area of the front wall and let the room "decides" (again my room should not be so bad, damped enough)
Hence wonder if it is worthing experiments with speakers firering towards a central area of the front wall and let the room "decides" (again my room should not be so bad, damped enough)
I have no idea how my big LG sounds… for decades the TV has gone into the hifi and currently playing on the big A12pw MTMs.
But a lot of work is being done to make tiny speakers appear larger. The newest MacBooks, iMacs and the Studio Display all have biamped WAWs with push-push reaction canceling woofers.
Haven’t heard yet, but supposedly decent.
dave
But a lot of work is being done to make tiny speakers appear larger. The newest MacBooks, iMacs and the Studio Display all have biamped WAWs with push-push reaction canceling woofers.
Haven’t heard yet, but supposedly decent.
dave
The idea (and question behind) is why it sounds so natural/comfortable about the voices. Hear a lot of systems -though not in my room- and I never heard a system with two speakers that disseaper as my TV does about voices speech. I surmise the images of the screen contributes but not only !
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My TV definitely sounds very natural in the "telephony" range-- 300-3khz. Until you crank the volume above 70dB. Perfect for ultra compressed news, sports, late night TV. Put on a movie and it shows exactly how weak it is. It's a smart move, honestly. Target the audience that doesn't want more and offer a variety of products depending on the level of insanity the customer prefers. Long up the chain, Harman and JBL are owned by Samsung. Why would they compete when they could sell both Samsung TVs/projectors and Revel speakers?
Most TV speakers have limited frequency response. Most around 100hz-4-6khz. It sounds natural like Bose ,no highs or lows. LOL
Too much bass or too much hyper detail in hi fi speakers can cause listening fatigue.
My samsung q80b hits low 30 hz with its built in sub and it cranks pretty loud. Shocked how much better it is then the old 50 inch plasma.
My LG 30" flat screen sounds like **. Newsreaders, okay, music ****. A speaker I bought for $3 from Salvation Army sounds better. 6" woofer, 1 1/2" + 1". Toslink to Peavey MMA-875T amp which mixes to mono.
Wish I could learn how to get the HDMI input to accept a URL. PBS Passport URL types in fine using a USB PC keyboard, but nothing makes it execute! &%^$)(*& Not return, not enter, not tab, no F## key.
Wish I could learn how to get the HDMI input to accept a URL. PBS Passport URL types in fine using a USB PC keyboard, but nothing makes it execute! &%^$)(*& Not return, not enter, not tab, no F## key.
I actually noticed the same, after some googling I found this measurement of my tv's sound; Rtings link of the LG C9, you see a fairly acceptable frequency response with an extension of -6db from 60hz to 22khz+ on normal operating volume with very acceptable linearity of -+3db for most of it frequency range (I guess the midbass bump is intentional). I find that it sounds pretty decent besides the boosted midbass and lower mids as can be seen. When listening to serious music the flaws start to appear though like no soundstage to speak of and lack of deep (sub)bass etc. Distortion also seems very high, looking at the graphs but is in practice completely inaudible, which confirms geddes research outcomes on this topic. But still I find it very surprising for a tv which has it speakers pointed at the wall, but considering this is a semi high-end tv I wouldn't be surprised if it is much different for other tvs (a quick look at Rtings other reviews confirms this) as I've most certainly heard way worse too.
Regarding apple products my macbook pro 2021 sounds very good in nearfield listening but when you turn it up you can audibly hear the bass getting turned down (by dsp obviously) which makes it sound a bit thin, but there is not a lack of highs and even lows can be heard, I measured extension to 70hz when measuring and listening in near field at low volume (as intended). For real listening to music it is inadequate and falls apart in far field, but for what it is made for e.g. video calling and listening to things quickly, very good in it's class.
Looking further at some more expensive tv's like the e series of lg (the step up from the c series) and a good Sony (the step up from a lg according to the sales rep when I bought my tv) it gets even crazier; Sony showing bass to 55hz and frequency linearity of close to +-1.5/2db and LG with also bass to 60hz and very decent linearity, I would say this is VERY good for a tv and it is no surprise to me that people think a tv could sound good most definitely not no highs and no lows (must be bose), I've seen real speakers with much much worse on-axis....
Regarding apple products my macbook pro 2021 sounds very good in nearfield listening but when you turn it up you can audibly hear the bass getting turned down (by dsp obviously) which makes it sound a bit thin, but there is not a lack of highs and even lows can be heard, I measured extension to 70hz when measuring and listening in near field at low volume (as intended). For real listening to music it is inadequate and falls apart in far field, but for what it is made for e.g. video calling and listening to things quickly, very good in it's class.
Looking further at some more expensive tv's like the e series of lg (the step up from the c series) and a good Sony (the step up from a lg according to the sales rep when I bought my tv) it gets even crazier; Sony showing bass to 55hz and frequency linearity of close to +-1.5/2db and LG with also bass to 60hz and very decent linearity, I would say this is VERY good for a tv and it is no surprise to me that people think a tv could sound good most definitely not no highs and no lows (must be bose), I've seen real speakers with much much worse on-axis....