I didn't realise that I was running out of both of these and have to put on hold rebuilding my Heybrook speakers and i/connects.
Used to use a very good supplier in the UK but with July 1st came ramping up of prices with TVA being added and a rip-off customs inspection price to boot.
So I go looking for a supplier in the EU, preferably in France where I live . So I checked out RS.fr couldn't find what I wanted so look at RS.uk - no problem got what I want but then there's postage and of course 20% EU import charge and TVA added on total cost. Why isn't the same product available on the French site? I want 40 M of 0.5mm & 0.4mm. I don't want industrial quantities.
Take note 'bare' not enamelled wire.
Used to use a very good supplier in the UK but with July 1st came ramping up of prices with TVA being added and a rip-off customs inspection price to boot.
So I go looking for a supplier in the EU, preferably in France where I live . So I checked out RS.fr couldn't find what I wanted so look at RS.uk - no problem got what I want but then there's postage and of course 20% EU import charge and TVA added on total cost. Why isn't the same product available on the French site? I want 40 M of 0.5mm & 0.4mm. I don't want industrial quantities.
Take note 'bare' not enamelled wire.
Buy insulated wire at an electric shop and strip off the insulation.
I take it you will not need a 40 meter piece of wire.
Rest of the EU?
Germany, Italy, Poland? No bare wire available in 50 or 100 meter reels?
Braided shielding as an alternate?
I take it you will not need a 40 meter piece of wire.
Rest of the EU?
Germany, Italy, Poland? No bare wire available in 50 or 100 meter reels?
Braided shielding as an alternate?
You can get bare copper wire at a "Metals" supplier, those typically selling aluminum/copper/brass sheet/extrusions/wire.
Non ferrous metals suppliers; those selling iron/steel sheet metal, pipe, rods, etc. are in a different business.
Or for smallest quantities, get an Artisan or Crafts shop, catering to "Hippie" homemade "jewelry" (bracelets, necklaces, etc.) sold at beaches, squares and such.
Voici:
Vente de bobines de fils de cuivre - Spiram.fr
Non ferrous metals suppliers; those selling iron/steel sheet metal, pipe, rods, etc. are in a different business.
Or for smallest quantities, get an Artisan or Crafts shop, catering to "Hippie" homemade "jewelry" (bracelets, necklaces, etc.) sold at beaches, squares and such.
Voici:
Vente de bobines de fils de cuivre - Spiram.fr
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NareshBrd - this is for signal wire and wire this thin is easily damaged, especially the finish where a lot of the signal is conducted.
JMFahey I know only one site in France that can only supply 0.5mm. RS.uk is really cheap until you load in the shipping and taxes.
JMFahey I know only one site in France that can only supply 0.5mm. RS.uk is really cheap until you load in the shipping and taxes.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...W-0.50%2F500&usg=AOvVaw0wTRNmjp0VKKeSNgpwIaeF
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...tWire_en.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1wQohgBIf7kR-bvOeh74D6
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...g-Wire/Types&usg=AOvVaw06yINzbknfJbxHW7ewS_kE
Try for tinned wire, it will not tarnish, but you know better.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...tWire_en.pdf&usg=AOvVaw1wQohgBIf7kR-bvOeh74D6
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...g-Wire/Types&usg=AOvVaw06yINzbknfJbxHW7ewS_kE
Try for tinned wire, it will not tarnish, but you know better.
Hi Stuart,
I use silver plated solid copper wire from jewelry suppliers. Works fine and available in various diameters. In this case Evilbay seems to be ok as a source. If necessary, I then use PTFE sleeving as an insulator that just slides over it.
Cheers
Mike
I use silver plated solid copper wire from jewelry suppliers. Works fine and available in various diameters. In this case Evilbay seems to be ok as a source. If necessary, I then use PTFE sleeving as an insulator that just slides over it.
Cheers
Mike
NareshBrd - I specificaly stated I was not interested in enamelled wire.
Mike - it's now 11 years since I completed all my empirical research into i/connects and unfortunately ill health stopped me from continuing selling my i/connects. How did I get into that because I was totally disappointed in commercial ones. I quickly discovered why the commercial ones were made the way they were - speed = reduced costs = more profit, it really is as simple as that. That and the fact that most are made by OEMs.
I quickly found that stranded is bad for very good scientific reasons so only used solid core from then on. I made 2 types - s/plated OFHC copper solid core (MWS) high purity silver.. Once I tried air cored dielectric there was no going back to airtight dielectric which was mostly polys that are crap as a dielectric. I decided to try FEP instead of PTFE - there is no comparison in terms of clarity. I now find that lots of commercial companies now use FEP instead of PTFE.
MWS make lots of very good wires of all types and I chose to use as little silver (20 microns) as possible, it's a very good wire and luckily I have lots left from 2010.
A few months ago I stripped down one of each type of the i/cs I made 11 years ago, interestingly both the silver plated and silver only had sulphide contamination of 5-7mm immediately after the solder joint, the rest of the wires were clean.As I used heatshrink on my i/cs they were effectively sealed from the exterior (oxygen) environment. To back up these findings my wife inherited a top notch cutlery set of silver plated cutlery,it sits in a plastic cutlery draw with a sliding section over 1/3rd. The fish gear etc. sits under this section. Guess what even though this is far from being sealed off from the environment, because there is little to no air flow there it hardly tarnishes compared to the rest of the cutlery. This confirms to me unequivocally that unless copper or silver is exposed continuously to a 'changing' air environment aka oxygen then sulphid or oxide contamination will not happen, thus allowing for air cored dielectric which is without doubt far superior to tightly wrapped dielectric.
Having changed a lot of gear in my system meant I have to make longer i/cs and completely change the signal cables in my Heybrook speakers. What I now do is to use a knocked down (diluted) ProGold - 1 part ProGold to 3 parts isopropyl alcohol which I coat the bare wire before inserting into the FEP oversized dielectric and after I have soldered the wires.
I see you use PTFE, try using FEP instead. the best place I can find in Europe for FEP is Adtech Engineering in Gloucester. You are lucky in that the swingeing VAT/Customs inspection on everything now doesn't apply since you are buying within the UK. The only bad news is that this company likes to hammer small orders with a charge and uses expensive carriers especially if you order from abroad.
PM me about this, you will not be disappointed if you try FEP.
I was buying solid core copper (soft) 0.4mm & 0.5mm from metalclays4you on ebay.co.uk. You can also buy cheaply from RS.uk but Sod's Law dictates that RS.fr don't stock either.
Mike - it's now 11 years since I completed all my empirical research into i/connects and unfortunately ill health stopped me from continuing selling my i/connects. How did I get into that because I was totally disappointed in commercial ones. I quickly discovered why the commercial ones were made the way they were - speed = reduced costs = more profit, it really is as simple as that. That and the fact that most are made by OEMs.
I quickly found that stranded is bad for very good scientific reasons so only used solid core from then on. I made 2 types - s/plated OFHC copper solid core (MWS) high purity silver.. Once I tried air cored dielectric there was no going back to airtight dielectric which was mostly polys that are crap as a dielectric. I decided to try FEP instead of PTFE - there is no comparison in terms of clarity. I now find that lots of commercial companies now use FEP instead of PTFE.
MWS make lots of very good wires of all types and I chose to use as little silver (20 microns) as possible, it's a very good wire and luckily I have lots left from 2010.
A few months ago I stripped down one of each type of the i/cs I made 11 years ago, interestingly both the silver plated and silver only had sulphide contamination of 5-7mm immediately after the solder joint, the rest of the wires were clean.As I used heatshrink on my i/cs they were effectively sealed from the exterior (oxygen) environment. To back up these findings my wife inherited a top notch cutlery set of silver plated cutlery,it sits in a plastic cutlery draw with a sliding section over 1/3rd. The fish gear etc. sits under this section. Guess what even though this is far from being sealed off from the environment, because there is little to no air flow there it hardly tarnishes compared to the rest of the cutlery. This confirms to me unequivocally that unless copper or silver is exposed continuously to a 'changing' air environment aka oxygen then sulphid or oxide contamination will not happen, thus allowing for air cored dielectric which is without doubt far superior to tightly wrapped dielectric.
Having changed a lot of gear in my system meant I have to make longer i/cs and completely change the signal cables in my Heybrook speakers. What I now do is to use a knocked down (diluted) ProGold - 1 part ProGold to 3 parts isopropyl alcohol which I coat the bare wire before inserting into the FEP oversized dielectric and after I have soldered the wires.
I see you use PTFE, try using FEP instead. the best place I can find in Europe for FEP is Adtech Engineering in Gloucester. You are lucky in that the swingeing VAT/Customs inspection on everything now doesn't apply since you are buying within the UK. The only bad news is that this company likes to hammer small orders with a charge and uses expensive carriers especially if you order from abroad.
PM me about this, you will not be disappointed if you try FEP.
I was buying solid core copper (soft) 0.4mm & 0.5mm from metalclays4you on ebay.co.uk. You can also buy cheaply from RS.uk but Sod's Law dictates that RS.fr don't stock either.
In India, enamelled means coated as for motor winding, coated with varnish like insulation.
Tinned wire means tin plated copper wire, not coated with solder to make it easy for soldering.
A mistake in understanding.
To make things clearer, you want multi strand bare copper or silver coated wire of 0.4 and 0.5 square mm area ... Okay?
Tinned wire means tin plated copper wire, not coated with solder to make it easy for soldering.
A mistake in understanding.
To make things clearer, you want multi strand bare copper or silver coated wire of 0.4 and 0.5 square mm area ... Okay?
Hi again Stuart
I haven't considered using FEP as a sleeving: I might try it out as I may need to re-wire some IMF Monitors in a few days.
Will PM you for further details.
Regards
Mike
I haven't considered using FEP as a sleeving: I might try it out as I may need to re-wire some IMF Monitors in a few days.
Will PM you for further details.
Regards
Mike