I've just replaced the resistors in my three way speaker. I've moved from standard ceramic wire-wound types to Mundorf Supremes at a cost of £90...
I was expecting the sound to be much better, however, it is much worse - very disappointing. There is a slight increase in detail across the mid and treble - if I wasn't so familiar with my test tracks I wouldn't have noticed this. However, there is now considerable sibilance and treble 'wispyness' which wasn't there before. It is not making for a pleasant listening experience.
This may be that 'burn in' time required, if that is a thing. But as it stands I will chalk the cost up to experience and switch back to good old cheap ceramics.
I was expecting the sound to be much better, however, it is much worse - very disappointing. There is a slight increase in detail across the mid and treble - if I wasn't so familiar with my test tracks I wouldn't have noticed this. However, there is now considerable sibilance and treble 'wispyness' which wasn't there before. It is not making for a pleasant listening experience.
This may be that 'burn in' time required, if that is a thing. But as it stands I will chalk the cost up to experience and switch back to good old cheap ceramics.
Assuming the resistors you put in are the same value as the ones that came out and that you didn't miswire anything, the changes you think you hear are simply your mind tricking you. There is no measurable or audible change made. A double blind listening test is the only way to conclusively prove this. It's is a difficult task at this point so you'd probably be better off accepting what you've got with the knowledge you haven't made anything worse.
Our ears are actually pretty poor analytical tools, however the brain is a superb tool for filling in the missing information. This means we are easily tricked by our own brain. It's a tough concept to accept for the average audiophile.
Our ears are actually pretty poor analytical tools, however the brain is a superb tool for filling in the missing information. This means we are easily tricked by our own brain. It's a tough concept to accept for the average audiophile.
if his mind is tricking him why isn't he saying they're great...he's disappointed with the performance of the parts and saying things are worse...expectation bias apparently isn't functioning the normal way....but that's an academic cop out just like we all hear differently....
The Mundorf wire wound resistors have worked fine for me in the past, as have others. Sound differences between resistors are usually rather small, deep into the "mind tricks territorry". As long as the resistor values are right and nothing is broken, there shouldn't be such a huge sound difference as you describe.
The first rule of modifying speakers is to measure them first, as a reference and also to check that everything is working before you start.
It's way to easy to make mistakes in the mod itself or to make get the reassembly wrong
It's way to easy to make mistakes in the mod itself or to make get the reassembly wrong
Everything should be applied properly. Not always better parts equal better sound.
Here i mean tolerance of resistors. Once I compared ceramic resistors together with green jantzen superes. These cheap ceramic resistors differed even 0,1ohm.
Here i mean tolerance of resistors. Once I compared ceramic resistors together with green jantzen superes. These cheap ceramic resistors differed even 0,1ohm.
???are you saying cheap ceramic resistors have better tolerance....0.1 ohm is less than the lead and contact resistance of my multimeter, one would need an accurate wien bridge to measure resistance at those levels.
I've never had an instance where changing the resistor type in a speaker made any difference at all.
I have just tried The Mundorf Supreme in my 4P1L preamp in fillament
they play just like Zuhl write,,not pleasent to listen to,,but with a super clear treble
if you want a resistor there are more polite to ears you can try Ohmite audio gold
i use them now ,,overall pleasant to listen to
and if someone not can hear different on resistor in speaker,,something in the link must be bad... best resistor i have tried in a speaker is Duelund
they play just like Zuhl write,,not pleasent to listen to,,but with a super clear treble
if you want a resistor there are more polite to ears you can try Ohmite audio gold
i use them now ,,overall pleasant to listen to
and if someone not can hear different on resistor in speaker,,something in the link must be bad... best resistor i have tried in a speaker is Duelund
yeah i must be cloth eared i can't hear differences in resistors unless the values are significantly different and affect circuit operation...
i have change resistor in my former speaker,,GR research LS9...not difficult to hear the different in resistor..
but lets also say,,,it is not night and day different ,,,,
in my 4p1l pre i have tried 5 different resistor,,,all have there signatur,,,and i vil say it is the same in speaker (only tweeter )
but lets also say,,,it is not night and day different ,,,,
in my 4p1l pre i have tried 5 different resistor,,,all have there signatur,,,and i vil say it is the same in speaker (only tweeter )
I would definitely be checking for mis-wiring and also that the resistors replaced have the same value as the ones removed. A few hundred millioms difference on a tweeter pad could well make an audible difference.
Tony.
Tony.
Interesting. I love the Supremes. Way better than white coffins or oxide. The carbon Duelund have not worked for me nearly as well.
At the same time, synergy is perhaps even more important than the quality of individual parts. Very willing to believe that upgrading parts in a crossover with a particular sound signature might not necessarily improve it.
Break in of parts, leads and solder joints should also not be underestimated.
At the same time, synergy is perhaps even more important than the quality of individual parts. Very willing to believe that upgrading parts in a crossover with a particular sound signature might not necessarily improve it.
Break in of parts, leads and solder joints should also not be underestimated.
funny funny
a little story about that
I change the speakercable some years ago....and --- she came from the kitchen and ask
why i destroy the sound --- always listen to your wife
a little story about that
I change the speakercable some years ago....and --- she came from the kitchen and ask
why i destroy the sound --- always listen to your wife
+1🙂
Actually I use Mundorf Supreme, another very good & not expensive resistor for xover Mills 12W the old black body.
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