Hi,
Intertechnik from Germany offers new full range speakers at a moderate price with 5", 6" and 8" diameter:
IT IT Lautsprecher Shop - AX-05 | Gradient :: Lautsprecher ::
IT IT Lautsprecher Shop - AX-06 | Gradient :: Lautsprecher ::
IT IT Lautsprecher Shop - AX-08 | Gradient :: Lautsprecher ::
As Gradient is only a Intertechnik label for cheaper drivers, those drivers should be produced somewhere else...
Has anyone seen these speakers yet and can give me some more information?
Bye,
Spatz
Intertechnik from Germany offers new full range speakers at a moderate price with 5", 6" and 8" diameter:
IT IT Lautsprecher Shop - AX-05 | Gradient :: Lautsprecher ::
IT IT Lautsprecher Shop - AX-06 | Gradient :: Lautsprecher ::
IT IT Lautsprecher Shop - AX-08 | Gradient :: Lautsprecher ::
As Gradient is only a Intertechnik label for cheaper drivers, those drivers should be produced somewhere else...
Has anyone seen these speakers yet and can give me some more information?
Bye,
Spatz
Tang Band almost look like that. Possibly made by Tang Band and specifically specs by that shop or brand.
Perhaps it wasn't there when you looked, but, now there's a button 'Datenblatt' on the right side that pops up a PDF with info on each of the drivers.
Nice looking drivers! At 55 euro for the large, and 39 for the small, they look like good prices. Now someone just needs to take the plunge and try them out.
Tom.
Nice looking drivers! At 55 euro for the large, and 39 for the small, they look like good prices. Now someone just needs to take the plunge and try them out.
Tom.
They look good but their FR charts look not so good. I would try them based on looks alone tho and hope for the best with the sound. They seem to 'pop' where sibilance may be but perhaps i am looking at them too carefully.
Of course ,those 14 dB dips are big "chips" to eat . And the prolonged cone movement
at where frequency is at its minimum level ,around 5 KHz ,suggests a correction circuit ,either.
Mhhh. Could it be there an acoustical way to null those differences ? Two reverse phased drivers in gas filled bipole ? 🙂
at where frequency is at its minimum level ,around 5 KHz ,suggests a correction circuit ,either.
Mhhh. Could it be there an acoustical way to null those differences ? Two reverse phased drivers in gas filled bipole ? 🙂
those AX-08s look great for the money and I'm definitely gonna give them a try
but as far as I can understand they are out of stock now - "Lieferbarkeit: 49 Tage"?
but as far as I can understand they are out of stock now - "Lieferbarkeit: 49 Tage"?
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As far as I know these drivers are produced by Gradient in Finland.
Intertechnik is counting down the days before they get there first batch from the production line.
Intertechnik is counting down the days before they get there first batch from the production line.
Not TB drivers...
The frame is typically from the Lyeco company. That would be my bet.
Later,
Wolf
The frame is typically from the Lyeco company. That would be my bet.
Later,
Wolf
They suggest a horn/reflex cabinet https://www.intertechnik.de/Shop/La...dient-Axis/__I8-BS-AX6-HR_1768,de,6822,103484
very interesting comparison, thank you Legis!
Did Klang+Ton also test the Dayton PS220 (or PM220) and Visaton B200 ?
These two would be interesting to compare to the two above!
Did Klang+Ton also test the Dayton PS220 (or PM220) and Visaton B200 ?
These two would be interesting to compare to the two above!
Visaton B200 is tested in K&T 2/2006 but the graphs are not very good for direct comparison. They sound nice, have heard them once with tube amplification.
I recently ordered both the Gradient Axis AX-08 and Beyma 12GA50, hope they arrive soon.🙂
I recently ordered both the Gradient Axis AX-08 and Beyma 12GA50, hope they arrive soon.🙂
Did you receive the Gradient?
Does the magnet look like the photo you posted above, or more like the one the webshops?
Regarding the whizzer cone, does it look like it would be doable to cleanly remove?
Does the magnet look like the photo you posted above, or more like the one the webshops?
An externally hosted image should be here but it was not working when we last tested it.
Regarding the whizzer cone, does it look like it would be doable to cleanly remove?
The AX-08's are pretty delayed, Europe Audio said they are expecting to ship them next Wednesday. I will post pictures when I get them, and check the clearance around the whizzer also. The AXT-08 midwoofers have black rubbery surround on the magnets that has small pattern (identical to the comparison post above), not a big patter like in the picture you posted. Luckily I will receive the Beyma 12GA50's next week, they are also much anticipated
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Traditional way to tame resonances are notch filters. Cone treatment etc. modifications are also possible. This (controlling resonances) will also make the waterfall clearer. There are always some haze in the waterfall plot of full rangers. If one wants real fullranger with very flat FR and very damped and fast decay (that no dynamic driver can match), the ESL panel is the way to go. I have both.
I also presume the Gradients might have some shout at the upper midrange without any eq or cone treatment. With proper eq they might sound more neutral. But deducing the sound quality from measurements = pretty much impossible.
Ps. You can also check the waterfall plots of the revered Supravox drivers, there are measurements for each driver: http://www.supravox.fr/anglais/les_hp.htm
I also presume the Gradients might have some shout at the upper midrange without any eq or cone treatment. With proper eq they might sound more neutral. But deducing the sound quality from measurements = pretty much impossible.
Ps. You can also check the waterfall plots of the revered Supravox drivers, there are measurements for each driver: http://www.supravox.fr/anglais/les_hp.htm
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Stuck in the full range paradigm?
Cone treatment? Yeah, use cones smaller than wavelengths being reproduced.
Cone modification? This is what manufactures do on a regular basis.
Peaks seen in waterfalls have high narrow bandwidth/high Q. Doing this passively is equivalent to doing steep crossover filters passively.
Haze in waterfall plots? What kind of term is this?
Shout is most used by the full ranger crowd. Indeed, beaming and lobe behavior of drivers used full range, in conjunction with harmonic distortion and attendant IMD make these drivers scream "don't do it this way".
Deducing sound quality from measurements is much more reliable, and practicable way for assessing sound quality.
Blind rankings of speakers for quality time after time reveal sharp tendency for most preferred speakers being speakers that measure with the flattest response, and that maintain this over widest radiation pattern.
supravox is completely stuck in legacy land. Try perhaps Mark Audio for outfit that is truly trying to extend driver range.
You have ESL panel, yet it apparently doesn't satisfy you. In real rooms sound pressure interacts with membrane, leading to very rough consistency to directional pattern.
Dream of dreams, a full range driver that does it all. Dream on.
Best approach is making multiple drivers act as one. With appropriate driver selection, arrangement, and crossover.
Cone treatment? Yeah, use cones smaller than wavelengths being reproduced.
Cone modification? This is what manufactures do on a regular basis.
Peaks seen in waterfalls have high narrow bandwidth/high Q. Doing this passively is equivalent to doing steep crossover filters passively.
Haze in waterfall plots? What kind of term is this?
Shout is most used by the full ranger crowd. Indeed, beaming and lobe behavior of drivers used full range, in conjunction with harmonic distortion and attendant IMD make these drivers scream "don't do it this way".
Deducing sound quality from measurements is much more reliable, and practicable way for assessing sound quality.
Blind rankings of speakers for quality time after time reveal sharp tendency for most preferred speakers being speakers that measure with the flattest response, and that maintain this over widest radiation pattern.
supravox is completely stuck in legacy land. Try perhaps Mark Audio for outfit that is truly trying to extend driver range.
You have ESL panel, yet it apparently doesn't satisfy you. In real rooms sound pressure interacts with membrane, leading to very rough consistency to directional pattern.
Dream of dreams, a full range driver that does it all. Dream on.
Best approach is making multiple drivers act as one. With appropriate driver selection, arrangement, and crossover.