The small KEF monitors come in white. You could start with a pair of Q150's or Q350's (ideally used ones for economy), and listen to them while you work on new, curvier cabinets for the drivers. I believe there are some threads here on modifying them.
For nearfield or monitoring this construct got a waaaay too high distance between the tweeter and bass.
I talked about the distance related needind more exursion. Fictive illustration : Let say your little genelec with a 4" driver, has 87 dB efficienty,you have a middle sized 50W amp and youu listening at 5 meters. If the Xmax permits it, you will have long exursion at max 50W and the max dB at sweet spot will be barely 92 dB... and with no headromm for transcient response and with a down turn of the dynamic due to the limit of the amp and/or the Xmax as wel as the little size if the driver.
There are of course bigger Genelecs with more headroom, also 3 ways for that , but the price....
There are of course bigger Genelecs with more headroom, also 3 ways for that , but the price....
If you want more spl the first thing you should do is add a subwoofer, that gives your monitor a lot more headroom than the next bigger model. But if you are using monitors at 5m distance, you haven't realized the purpose and use of a monitor, use living room HiFi speakers instead.
You are aware of the nearfield effect? They are developed for near field, where the drop off per double distance is still -3dB instead of -6dB in the far field. That alone means they will perform inferior at farther distances. They still might be better than other speakers but that's not how you get their full performance. Or neutral sound reproduction.
yup...
That's why I have advised those models of Triangle, based to the location of the op. It is branded, so have guaranty and can sold when evolving, which is always imposible with DIY buut solding parts.. Cheap enough, price is for a pair, and they are often lively and better efficienty than most. The Behringer is underated but is amped, maybe harder for intergration in HT multiway system. Certainly ask an amp receiver with good choice of the outputs.
As it is H-T need, I would focus on the need, so 2+1 is not ridiculous. But as the bass goes deep low, it also asks the 2 upper speakers are onfortable enough down to 80 hz at those budget imho.
That's why I have advised those models of Triangle, based to the location of the op. It is branded, so have guaranty and can sold when evolving, which is always imposible with DIY buut solding parts.. Cheap enough, price is for a pair, and they are often lively and better efficienty than most. The Behringer is underated but is amped, maybe harder for intergration in HT multiway system. Certainly ask an amp receiver with good choice of the outputs.
As it is H-T need, I would focus on the need, so 2+1 is not ridiculous. But as the bass goes deep low, it also asks the 2 upper speakers are onfortable enough down to 80 hz at those budget imho.
Depending on the distance sub to monitors, 100-120Hz may be fine, though I wouldn't go above 100 Hz on monitors.
yeah all that little Neumann 4" as the Genelecs seems to make big disto below 120/100 hz... which ask a relative good subwoofer cabinet that i confortable at 20 hz for the movies like being to climb up to those monitors... which is not alwways cheap...
TBH, the tiny monitors are great for what they are but if subs don't add enough performance, it's just out of their range.
Seriously, don't talk bad about speakers (or other equipment) if you are using them outside of their limits. It's not the fault of the unit if you're using it wrong or with the wrong expectations. If something is good, it doesn't mean it's good for everything or everyone.
Seriously, don't talk bad about speakers (or other equipment) if you are using them outside of their limits. It's not the fault of the unit if you're using it wrong or with the wrong expectations. If something is good, it doesn't mean it's good for everything or everyone.
I've already mentioned it in my post. The FR, dispersion, optimized listening distance regarding FR and summing, phase and driver positioning is different, optimized for maximum direct radiated sound. That means, practically all aspects of how a speaker is designed vs far field speakers.
If you can't recognize the difference, it doesn't mean it isn't existent, even if it's not obvious to you. Monitors are built to reveal details and flaws of the sound, HiFi speakers are designed to enjoy the music. There are speakers which make both possible but many can only serve one of the two purposes.
I've already wrote the essential differences, if you don't understand their effect, I can explain it but it gets technical quickly and I'm not sure about which level of technicality I should start to explain. IE, Near field monitoring is much different from room HiFi speakers because they concentrate on direct radiating sound while hifi speakers practically always work/interact with the room and its reflections. These are polar opposite development goals and are not interchangeable and the listening distance is a key element of it because of the physics involved. The physics of speakers are very complex and a great portion of it is often ignored because parts of it doesn't apply in every situation and it certainly doesn't help boost sales if ppl know too much about it.
While I do like to explain certain things, I don't want to hold a lecture about all aspects of speakers, partly because I'm lazy, partly, because a lot of ppl already wrote volumes about it and partly because I don't know how deep you are willing to go and do work on your own to understand the physics, opposing design goals and requirements.
Last but not least: There are a ton of speakers which were labeled 'monitors' but don't deserve that description at all. While Yamaha made tons of excellent speakers, the NS-10 are horrible at monitoring. the EV Sentry are awful, some JBL and Tannoy too, just to give some examples.
If you can't recognize the difference, it doesn't mean it isn't existent, even if it's not obvious to you. Monitors are built to reveal details and flaws of the sound, HiFi speakers are designed to enjoy the music. There are speakers which make both possible but many can only serve one of the two purposes.
I've already wrote the essential differences, if you don't understand their effect, I can explain it but it gets technical quickly and I'm not sure about which level of technicality I should start to explain. IE, Near field monitoring is much different from room HiFi speakers because they concentrate on direct radiating sound while hifi speakers practically always work/interact with the room and its reflections. These are polar opposite development goals and are not interchangeable and the listening distance is a key element of it because of the physics involved. The physics of speakers are very complex and a great portion of it is often ignored because parts of it doesn't apply in every situation and it certainly doesn't help boost sales if ppl know too much about it.
While I do like to explain certain things, I don't want to hold a lecture about all aspects of speakers, partly because I'm lazy, partly, because a lot of ppl already wrote volumes about it and partly because I don't know how deep you are willing to go and do work on your own to understand the physics, opposing design goals and requirements.
Last but not least: There are a ton of speakers which were labeled 'monitors' but don't deserve that description at all. While Yamaha made tons of excellent speakers, the NS-10 are horrible at monitoring. the EV Sentry are awful, some JBL and Tannoy too, just to give some examples.
You keep listing characteristics without anything to show how those Genelecs actually differ in them. Surely you could have given at least one example, be it very technial or not, instead of typing all that stuff?
Sure, I'll just go with the simplest explanation of you talking completely out of your ***.
Oh, and the Buchardts wouldn't work for monitoring or near-field due to the spacing? You ever seen Amphions, some of the most renowned monitors in the world?
Oh, and the Buchardts wouldn't work for monitoring or near-field due to the spacing? You ever seen Amphions, some of the most renowned monitors in the world?
Those are coaxials, which eliminates most of the spacing issues. That brings other issues with it though. Being present in many studios doesn't make a speaker good. The NS10 are the most sold "monitors" ever and the Sentry were extremely popular in the 70s but both of them are horrible as monitors.
Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it's 'taking out of...
But I see, you don't want to learn, understand or even ask relevant questions. That, and the language you're using lead me to the conclusion any further arguments are futile anyway.