Any VST host software and 'Hang Loose Convolver' as core processing.
https://accuratesound.ca/hang-loose-convolver-hlc/
It's not free but it offer a number of options you won't find anywhere else. Developped by a Fellow member here ( Mitchba).
Sorry for the OT post, but I 'd be interested in what those are. Maybe there is something I could add to camilladsp 🙂
Hi HenrikEnquist,
It's all in the description link in message previous your last one( features on the right of window). 😉
But for me real time comparison of multiple filter profile (and level matched!) is the most important one. As well as ASIO/VST support/integration.
Might not be important to others but for anyone coming from pro world it's not, as it allow integration in DAW or other software and allow mix with other VST. And from hardware side it opens for a large amount of choice of good converters/sound cards/virtual soundcards ( eg: Dante drivers).
We already had this discussion about hardware iirc.
It's all in the description link in message previous your last one( features on the right of window). 😉
But for me real time comparison of multiple filter profile (and level matched!) is the most important one. As well as ASIO/VST support/integration.
Might not be important to others but for anyone coming from pro world it's not, as it allow integration in DAW or other software and allow mix with other VST. And from hardware side it opens for a large amount of choice of good converters/sound cards/virtual soundcards ( eg: Dante drivers).
We already had this discussion about hardware iirc.
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https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...s-are-the-root-cause-fix-coming-by-mid-august
If I used Windows on Intel (no chance of that) I would be very unhappy about this situation.
Intel appears to deny any responsibility for financial compensation or warranty coverage as well.
If I used Windows on Intel (no chance of that) I would be very unhappy about this situation.
Intel appears to deny any responsibility for financial compensation or warranty coverage as well.
The intel thing is certainly disappointing, it would influence my choice of hardware if buying a new or recent machine. Though it isn't likely to affect which operating system I choose; e.g. Linux (and others) would not solve Intel's issues and Windows will run on non-Intel CPUs.
I remember something not dissimilar with Thinkpads, which I had been a fan of until then. FWIW I think Intel's return policy for their defect is a bit more considerate in this case, though obviously they can't undo what has happened. Thankfully my main PC's CPU just slightly predates these issues.
I remember something not dissimilar with Thinkpads, which I had been a fan of until then. FWIW I think Intel's return policy for their defect is a bit more considerate in this case, though obviously they can't undo what has happened. Thankfully my main PC's CPU just slightly predates these issues.
@krivium, thanks for the thoughts. I'm not from that kind of background so this is new (and interesting) to me. No idea at this point how relevant VST is for my use case (or how relevant I want to make it), but I'm always interested to see how things are done in different circles. The pro/live audio world has been quite useful to me in terms of hardware, like drivers and amps, but I've not yet gone there for software.
@HenrikEnquist not at all off-topic IMO; I was interested in the answer, too.
@HenrikEnquist not at all off-topic IMO; I was interested in the answer, too.
Yeah the stability problems on the latest intel chips are quite disappointing, but iiuc that mostly affects the high end desktop models. Those don't make much sense in a system for audio and video playback.
I recently bought a refurbished little Lenovo office machine with a 35 watt quad core 8th gen i3 (that even came with a windows 11 license). There are plenty of these for sale at low prices. It has a fan, but under normal use it's so quiet that I can't hear it unless I'm sitting right next to it.
The only problem with these for media playback as I see it, is that the integrated gpu of Intel chips before the 11th generation (with UHD Graphics 6xx) don't support 4k at 60 Hz over hdmi, only DisplayPort. You will need either a very rare tv with DisplayPort, or an active converter.
I recently bought a refurbished little Lenovo office machine with a 35 watt quad core 8th gen i3 (that even came with a windows 11 license). There are plenty of these for sale at low prices. It has a fan, but under normal use it's so quiet that I can't hear it unless I'm sitting right next to it.
The only problem with these for media playback as I see it, is that the integrated gpu of Intel chips before the 11th generation (with UHD Graphics 6xx) don't support 4k at 60 Hz over hdmi, only DisplayPort. You will need either a very rare tv with DisplayPort, or an active converter.
Well I've had a little more chance to try things, after setting up a windows VM. I was unimpressed by the Qobuz browser version but (sadly) it seems the native app isn't particularly rich in information either. The tidal app looks a little bit better, but not massively so (and I don't currently subscribe). So I had somewhat false/wishful expectations, there. Roon on the other hand appears to be what I want as a music player, especially as it combines info on tracks from both local and streaming services. It offers things I've missed since losing physical albumn sleeves and CD booklets, and also adds a lot extra. Very nice.
The roon control/UI won't run (natively) on linux, so windows or MAC still seem to be on the cards. I could get a tablet for roon (and might do in any case), but I really want the option to use its control/UI app on the main PC & monitor too, (which is effectively a big TV in the listening room). Roon/music isn't the only thing I want to play (there is also film and browser content), so it would just be nicer to have it running in harmony with my other PC-monitor stuff.
For the same reasons, I probably won't use a Roon-specific end-point/renderer. But Roon will also play to a USB device, and of course so will the rest of the desktop. That could be a simple DAC, but likely I'll use a raspberry Pi as a USB gadget, to provide EQ/DSP and crossover for everything, regardless of what is playing. This hardware gadget approach seemed a bit more successful to me, than using software loopbacks and virtual sinks etc. The same hardware combo would also later permit LAN streaming (instead of USB connection), should I ever get bigger premises. Though at the moment all my audio and PC stuff is in one room, so currently there isn't much disadvantege in going simply with a USB connection.
The roon control/UI won't run (natively) on linux, so windows or MAC still seem to be on the cards. I could get a tablet for roon (and might do in any case), but I really want the option to use its control/UI app on the main PC & monitor too, (which is effectively a big TV in the listening room). Roon/music isn't the only thing I want to play (there is also film and browser content), so it would just be nicer to have it running in harmony with my other PC-monitor stuff.
For the same reasons, I probably won't use a Roon-specific end-point/renderer. But Roon will also play to a USB device, and of course so will the rest of the desktop. That could be a simple DAC, but likely I'll use a raspberry Pi as a USB gadget, to provide EQ/DSP and crossover for everything, regardless of what is playing. This hardware gadget approach seemed a bit more successful to me, than using software loopbacks and virtual sinks etc. The same hardware combo would also later permit LAN streaming (instead of USB connection), should I ever get bigger premises. Though at the moment all my audio and PC stuff is in one room, so currently there isn't much disadvantege in going simply with a USB connection.
I'm not super impressed by the Tidal app on Mac OS. Granted, I run it on an old MacBook Pro (2010 vintage), but still. I've used it at hifi shows and the search slows to a crawl if the wifi gets a bit slow. I've also searched by artist to find a specific album. One week the album shows up under Albums. Another week it shows up under Compilations. It just seems half-baked and sorta hit-and-miss.
The experience might be different through Roon, Moode, or the like.
Tom
The experience might be different through Roon, Moode, or the like.
Tom
Thanks Tom, that is useful to know. I only have much experience of Qobuz and the free/lo-fi versions of spotify, but Tidal did seem similar. I'm surprised to find that I actually use streaming more than I expected, so I'm becomming happier to invest more in this now (along with downloads of my favourite albums and tracks). Hence I'm more interested than before in it being a quality experience overall.
But they're poorer than I'd imagined for information on what is being listened to. Then the personal 'suggestions' they make on my behalf seem either to be highly predictable or off the mark, much of the time. Fine for listening to known tracks/abums, but not entirely satisfying as part of one's ever ongoing music journey. I think/hope this is where Roon might be worth the extra subscription, for bringing in more complete and also related info. We shall see, anyway.
But they're poorer than I'd imagined for information on what is being listened to. Then the personal 'suggestions' they make on my behalf seem either to be highly predictable or off the mark, much of the time. Fine for listening to known tracks/abums, but not entirely satisfying as part of one's ever ongoing music journey. I think/hope this is where Roon might be worth the extra subscription, for bringing in more complete and also related info. We shall see, anyway.
I don't know about the current models, but in the versions from four or five years ago, the Raspberry did not have enough power to offer quality digital signal processing. And more so in a treatment of more than two channels.
I currently use 40,000 taps on Dephonica.
In the Hang Loose Convolver software that they have posted, you can see in he pics 65.536 taps.
Greetings
I currently use 40,000 taps on Dephonica.
In the Hang Loose Convolver software that they have posted, you can see in he pics 65.536 taps.
Greetings
No need to worry.
From: https://github.com/HEnquist/camilladsp?tab=readme-ov-file#system-requirements
Yes. And given price of second hand 'small' pc and a bit of ram i don't get the point of using a PI in such setup?
I've got a Dell elitedesk i paid 80eu with same amount of money put into ram and it's much more powerfull ( treatment wise) than my dedicated loudspeaker management unit for 1/20 price i paid for it ( second hand...)... in fact i will use both together as converters are really good on the dedicated rack and it offer multiple digital inputs so can work as a 'dumb' converter ( with very good eq on each chanels).
I have been using Linux for 20 years myself (servers, embedded etc), as well as 7 years as my main system.
After a while I was just done with the none-stop fussing.
Very simple things sometimes stopped working, tried multiple distros at multiple different systems.
It most certainly doesn't work if you're professional, since there are no or extremely little compatible programs that work well under Linux that are needed in the industry.
All that being said, I hate Windows as well.
Equalizer APO is the way to go under Windows, although it works a bit finicky for a multi-way system.
Although I personally find Camilla DSP even more finicky and less user friendly.
In my experience people find Equalizer APO easier to understand.
I don't share the claimed Intel issues at all, and I have built and maintained quite some systems in my life.
Incl ones that use all kinds of VST's etc.
So no idea where that claim comes from.
After a while I was just done with the none-stop fussing.
Very simple things sometimes stopped working, tried multiple distros at multiple different systems.
It most certainly doesn't work if you're professional, since there are no or extremely little compatible programs that work well under Linux that are needed in the industry.
All that being said, I hate Windows as well.
Equalizer APO is the way to go under Windows, although it works a bit finicky for a multi-way system.
Although I personally find Camilla DSP even more finicky and less user friendly.
In my experience people find Equalizer APO easier to understand.
I don't share the claimed Intel issues at all, and I have built and maintained quite some systems in my life.
Incl ones that use all kinds of VST's etc.
So no idea where that claim comes from.
Equalizer APO is a solid free Windows DSP tool but if you are ok with paying a little, JRiver and somewhat more expensive Roon both have great DSP features and streaming integration. IMO, one of the best advantages of the Windows platform is that you can use the free and "Windows only" tool rePhase. There's nothing you cannot do for free with REW + rePhase combination in terms of DRC.
yes, but they don't work if there's audio coming from other media sources.
Equalizer APO is system wide, incl the other options you just mentioned.
Equalizer APO can also import FIR files from rePhase btw.
Depending on the use case, but I most definitely wouldn't recommend using FIR for everything btw.
Luckily we can do hybrid in EQ APO.
Well that depends on what industry you mean. It can just as well be the other way around.
They are quite real, see for example https://community.intel.com/t5/Proc...ty-Reports-on-Intel-Core-13th-and/m-p/1617113