I and built and lived with the 3w-15 for about a year now. It is a fantastic sounding box. I am driving it with about a 6W SE valve amp and the detail and imaging is superb. I have the safabric tweeter
@noamgeller
Thank you!
Thank you for sharing and look forward to hearing more feedback.
Thank you!
- Will be very interested in what you hear between the TL2 and CNO4. That is about the best info I could get.
- Your comment on the 3WC-10 is very helpful too.
Thank you for sharing and look forward to hearing more feedback.
I find I need more that 6W (they are in a large room, 6m x 6m) to get good bass out of them if the material has it. The bass driver on the 3WC-15 is separately wired so you do have the option to use a Hypex there and drive the rest with your SET.
Yes it will absolutely be room dependent. My current audio room is about 3.5m x 3m so I should be ok - but open to higher power solutions as needed.
Very cool!! Read your feedback on the TL2 on Troel's site about the use of the Iso Acoustic pucks. Like what you have done here!
Thanks 🙏🏼 I can only suggest trying it for yourself, I couldn't believe the difference it made with my TL2
Getting there... not going to make it before the holiday dammit, but looking promising
Done! I always forget how tedious and long this process is
Hi Noam,
Are these going to replace your TL2? 😆
On a more serious note, do you have any extra comments to make about the sound performance of the CNO-4?
Are you considering building a pair for yourself, to complement the TL2?
Are these going to replace your TL2? 😆
On a more serious note, do you have any extra comments to make about the sound performance of the CNO-4?
Are you considering building a pair for yourself, to complement the TL2?
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Happy that you asked! I'll try to write some points and see if it makes sense.
I have listened to the CNO4 only a week and a half, so those nextel drivers are not broken in yet, but here it goes.
-First of all CNO4 to my ears is an upgrade over the NEXT4 which I know very very well ( had it for one year or so). The NEXT4 of course is not a bad speaker but I never really fell in love with it. I couldn't dial in the bass and the seas 10inch woofer never seemed to really do what it supposed to do- moving air. And that was in a dedicated listening room!
-The CNO4 uses BMS 12N630 with HYPEX FA501 is such a different beast! It is capable of wonderful bass and seamlessly merg with the 8inch seas lower midrange driver. The bass is really controlled and articulate, yet gives a good volume to instrument.
-The midrange and especially the tweeter do give a very good presentation, the speakers will definitely disappear if well positioned, but! (and I blame the first order Topologie for that) those speakers are really sensitive to amp and source. They will demand a bit like horn speakers the best you can afford... they will not sugar coat anything, which is good, trumpets and other instruments can be brutal on the ears- those nextel drivers are going pretty far this road.
-overall sound presentation is still very much SEAS nextel house sound being- lively, dynamic and a touch warm..organic- great with piano and acoustic guitar. Not so lean and mean like scan speak drivers tend to be.
- Now comes the but... the CNO4 will go to its new owner and I'm not going to replace the TL2 with a new pair of CNO4. Because:
- unlike small beautiful hifi drivers the TL2 PA drivers are capable of moving more air with less movement= those hifi drivers feel a bit slow in comparison. With the TL2 the music is popping effortlessly into existence, no matter the dynamic load. From 0 to 100 in no time.
I also believe that horns for the upper midrange is the way to go. Compression driver with horn being a machin gun ready to reload in an instant verses our modern tweeter being a beautiful hand gun but slow and sluggish in comparison when it comes to it.
I am sad to see that Troels is not building more of the TL1 family. After having so many years small modern loudspeaker, those TL2 are a revelation.
For those who don't know what I'm on about here are the links to the speakers mentioned above.
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/CNO-4.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/NEXT4.htm
http://www.troelsgravesen.dk/The-Loudspeaker-2.htm
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