R.I.P. Onkyo...

Organic is pretty well-defined here, although it has little if anything to do with loudspeakers.
The Hi-Fi market is not dead but large format items are. The trend now is IEM and headphones. I picked up a well known IEM the other day for $20 and the sound in most every was is better than my main speakers.
A good $100 DAC with a DIP8 socket and a $80 IEM can give a level of audio quality most have never heard. I just don't like things stuck in my ears and I have a larger good sounding room so its speakers for me.
 
I've tried some IEMs and I just can't. I can hear myself walking.
I need a large open back phone like the ATH-R70x from Audio Technica.
I am intrigued by the Grado GW100v2 though being it's the only open back bluetooth headphone on the market. 329$ and never go on sale though.
 
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Organic is pretty well-defined here, although it has little if anything to do with loudspeakers.

My point is the marketing angle. Is anything we eat not organic? I hope not. If I fart it's 100% organic, but does that make it better?

When I think of organic I think of organic vs inorganic chemistry. I do not consider marketing drivel to be worthy of anything but amusement and scorn.
 
I think organic vs synthetic.
I rarely buy organic but I do like organically grown fruit like Bartlett pears.

I see. I guess my home grown vittles aren't organic because I use Miracle Gro and 10-10-10 fertilizer to grow them.

Cultivation techniques do affect greatly the taste of coffee and tobacco. Homegrown stuff is almost always better than store bought. Often it's because cultivars available are a lot different than commercially grown veggies, which are often bred to be easy to harvest mechanically (like tomatoes).

My friend grows the most excellent tomatoes and eggplant. There is nothing like them in the store; not even close. I grow the hottest fire jalapenos and habaneros. They are so much better than anything I've seen in the store by far. We swap in the fall and eat good wholesome food.
 
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After attending official B&O school in Toronot i decided i did not want anything to do with them. Hi-end BOSE IMO.

dave

B&O was like Bose before Bose became a corporate drone company that relied on marketing to clueless consumers. Heavy marketing, proprietary stuff, integrated systems.

Integrated systems don't have to be bad but they usually are. Audiofools always preferred separates. I'm no exception.
 
Nobody knew how to master them, and all the little tricks they used in the studio to make LPs workable just plain backfired. Recording engineers had to learn how to walk all over again, then things improved.
There was one CD I think it was Al Dimeola "Land of the Midnight sun" which I had the LP version of. After some investigation - back when I still had a TT - it was clear someone was told "make it sound like the LP" and they did - only using the wrong cartridge loading. Or none at all...
 
I've tried some IEMs and I just can't. I can hear myself walking.
I need a large open back phone like the ATH-R70x from Audio Technica.
I am intrigued by the Grado GW100v2 though being it's the only open back bluetooth headphone on the market. 329$ and never go on sale though.
even at volumes that won't cause permanent hearing damage, I can feel the sound from my speakers throughout my body. No IEM or headphone will do that at any amplitude and the temptation and ease to turn up the volume to where they cause lasting harm is too great. For those reasons, neither have that great of an appeal to me. My biggest gripe about them, though, is that they make the act of listening to music far too casual. I find my enjoyment of music to be greater when I don't have a soundtrack for most of my day. To be sure, having music is great when I want to get in the groove at work, but I find often enough, that I'm more appreciative of it when I'm not using it to distract from whatever mundane task I'm engaged with. Particularly, since I've rekindled my relationship with vinyl, the ritual of putting a record on, and actively listening to a side while doing little else has deepened my appreciation not only of the music, but the production, and playing, as well as my components and has exponentially increased my connection to the hobby in a way that ear buds and an iPod never did.
 
Chev bought Daewoo outright. That was a nice little car.

dave

It was at least as good as domestic built GM cars.

It was ugly, ugly, ugly. I don't think it fooled anyone because they had a good run.

American car market is a lot different than Europe. We drive a lot of miles on truly awful roads in all kinds of weather. And salt; lots and lots of ice melt is used here. In the best of circumstances you won't get more than 20 years out of a vehicle here.

Many European cars failed here because they didn't stand up to the harsh conditions. The Renault Alliance and "LeCar" were huge flops because if they didn't break from the crap roads they rusted to nothing in 5-6 years. And the Cadillac Catera, an erstaz Opel, was a laughingstock here because they had soooo many problems and just couldn't handle the roads here. I know in Europe it was a premium car but the market in Europe is different.
 
GM owned Opel since 1928, and it was sold off along with Saab, comparatively recently.

Daewoo started making cars under GM and Suzuki licenses.
They then progressed to using older modified bodies from their principals, and selling them as Daewoo cars, and later got Italian and other designed bodies to fit their evolved engines, which were originally Suzuki and GM engines.

So essentially evolved GM and Suzuki models, really....Chevy was buying up a cousin.
Even recently, GM small cars here used same parts as Suzuki cars...pistons fit directly, so do front struts!

Ultimately Daewoo Motor went belly up, the bus division was possibly bought by an Indian company.

GM in Asia was 50-50 owned by GM USA and SAIC of China.

Way off topic really....but fascinating.
 
My point is the marketing angle. Is anything we eat not organic? I hope not. If I fart it's 100% organic, but does that make it better?

When I think of organic I think of organic vs inorganic chemistry. I do not consider marketing drivel to be worthy of anything but amusement and scorn.
That's just the point: it isn't marketing drivel, at least the Dutch equivalent biologisch is not. There is a well-defined set of criteria a product has to comply with to be called biologisch and there is an independent organization checking that those criteria are met. I don't think it fair to compare that to people selling analogue loudspeakers while claiming they are 'digital prepared' or 'CD compatible' or whatever.

Like organic, biologisch is reuse of a term that means something different in a different context. While I don't think there is any chance of confusion about that, I would have preferred it if they had come up with a new term.

By the way, a couple of years ago I saw a brochure about a transmitter for radio reporters claiming: 'excellent sound quality due to fully analogue signal processing.'
 
After attending official B&O school in Toronot i decided i did not want anything to do with them. Hi-end BOSE IMO.

dave
I bought something from the Haarlem Bang & Olufsen shop once, in 2001. For some reason they had a pair of second-hand QUAD ESL-63s that I could buy for only 800 guilders. No idea how those ended up in a Bang & Olufsen shop.
 
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I do understand the legal standpoint. However, even food that isn't certifiable (like my homegrowns) is still, in fact, 100% organic.

Here in the US there's some kind of legal definition but the biggest difference by far is the price; "organic" is often 40% more expensive. It tastes the same in my experience.

The big stink here in the US is GMO vs non GMO. NEWS FLASH: Unless you only eat wild game and get your veggies digging in the forest, then EVERYTHING you eat is GMO. NOTHING you get at the store is not GMO.