Yes I actually wondered if aliens would have a sense of humor. I mean what if they laugh us to death? Theoretically joking can be considered tech. Quite useful actually. They could enslave us by having a disruptive sense of humor. I think we could theoretically be hacked that way.
On the one planetary example we can examine are found multiple species on the threshold of that transition if not arguably already on the first rungs. On this planet the evolution algorithm resulted in life forms in nearly every conceivable nook and cranny supporting liquid water. Holding the conditions necessary for our species as the only possible model for intelligent development across the universe is peak anthropocentrism. Statements like above also have an uncomfortable parallel to creationist arguments concerning the eye, that an evolutionary path for an organ of such complexity and function is so unlikely as to be an absolute fluke. The evolutionary path for a species of such complexity and function as us is so unlikely as to be an absolute fluke. One planetary example is meagre evidence for generalising the limits of evolution across the estimated 2 trillion existing galaxies.
The only support offered so far for a long string of hard 'truth bombs' on what exists across the universe - all completely untestable - is an article tempered by the opening phrase "we were wrong". This time however we're right with absolute certainty forever...
A sploge on the radar screen? Really?
The suggestion of Mr. A. Lien 👽, is what seems to derail any open-minded discussion of the objects. As I'd mentioned upthread, whatever the object origin, they evidence a radically incomplete understanding of fundamental physics by our scientific community. If extra-terrestrial in origin, that would be the most civilization rocking development in human history, or for the future, for that matter. If the objects are of entirely human origin, that still would represent a un-thinkably radical advancement in fundamental science, and transportation technology. Including, for space-travel. It seems that it might additionally greatly revolutionize power generation technology. That would also, however, raise difficult to answer questions about how and why such knowledge has been kept secret for what, the better part of a century?
Yes, I recall the scientific paper you cited sometime back, which provided a well thought out theoretical analysis. It appears rather convincing, except that the analysis is based on certain key estimates (well educated guesses) about possible conditions for life elsewhere, if I recall correctly. As such, it can only remain a theory, it doesn't yet constitute proof. Evidence versus proof, now where have I seen those two concepts recently mentioned?
To make it explicitly clear, I'm on no quest regarding UFOs, or aliens. The objects, if they exist, have world-shaking implications, whatever their origin. The evidence for the alien visitation seems, instead, highly questionable. To the point of being only the very rare, and unsupported by other evidence, anecdotal eyewitness story. Evidence for the objects, however, while scant, appears to exist. That has persisted for many decades, and includes photos, video and radar tracking data evidence, along with some highly credible eyewitness reports. Such as those by multiple Navy flight officers, off the U.S.S. Nimitz. I suspect that the reason why the subject aliens is always mixed in to discussion of the objects is because it is, otherwise, so difficult to account for the bizarre characteristics and flight dynamics of the objects. 🙂
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I think it more likely that our ridiculousness, and stupidity make them laugh themselves to death.
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I don't subscribe to the label 'skeptic'. I consider myself a 'realist'.
As a realist I'm yet to be even tempted to give any credence to the idea that there are extra terrestrials around our neck of the woods based on the lack of any quality evidence in a world that is more and more under the lens.
We agree about that.
The subject of E.T.s seems to arise in an effort to explain the seemingly inexplicable existence of the bizarre objects.
I see I've disappointed you again. Although my English may be lacking, the gist is not.
And I, you. It would seem.
As far as your English is concerned, it’s good enough that I don’t see it as lacking.
As for your gist, that is what may need work. Perhaps, try again?
Yes but it doesn't have to be aliens or a god. Could be the mad scientists that's running this experiment.
Maybe this life is a sort of initiation for new (?) individuals, in a very highly advanced civilization. Imagine that today we come with bad defaults for a healthy society. We spend many resources trying to switch those defaults so we can move better as a whole.
Imagine sometime in the future it would be pretty risky to have newborns as it were, do all kinds of messed up things, just because humans. So then ideally you'd make a sort of virtual reality simulation where you can massively affect perception of time, and live many different lives over and over again, and you experience all kinds of situations from which you learn. After each simulated life you live "here" in the simulation you condense the most important lessons. After who knows how many repeats you finally gain the necessary wisdom to take part from a highly advanced society where stupid egoistical mistakes would cost a lot, everyone.
And at some points we get to peer through the veil, in one way or another, through highly improbable coincidences and all kinds of spiritual experiences, that maybe we mistake as being God or aliens or whatever flavor of such explanations. "the Matrix"
That could make sense.
We have an excellent model for the challenges of evolution delivering multicellular organisms and half a billion years later, intelligent life: Earth.
‘One planetary example’ fails to recognize what it takes to go from an elemental primordial soup to a highly intelligent bipedal ape. In our case it took 4 billion years. Just think of the multitude of factors mitigating against that. Consider the fact that the dinosaurs had a 165 million uninterrupted reign and yet no recognisably intelligent species emerged. Our arboreal ancestors emerged 55 million years ago - so it took another 55 million yrs for intelligent life to emerge. It was not a given. It is a fluke and biologists regularly point out the infinitesimal odds of us being here.
I’d argue assuming the galaxy is teaming with advanced technical civilisations is ‘peak creationism’ and not the view that we are rare and therefore should take special care of our planet and our civilisation.
As I tried point out in the previous post, it takes billions of yrs to get the right conditions to form a star that can host life, and then another 2-3 (2.5 in our case) before there is enough of a energetic catalyst available to support life. Every step is open to taking a different dead end path, of to bring cut short by cosmic events like asteroids, GRB’s, volcanism etc.
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