A $60 000 Preamplifier

I attended a marketing seminar for crafters/artisans a number of years ago and was struck by one of the speaker's remarks: 'if an item isn't selling, raise the price'. Which is, I gather, a different version of 'they've got more money than brains'.
I have seen proof of this theory. Working at an electroacoustics company in the '70s and '80s, a very good amp was launched at £80. Dead in the water, but at £300 it sold well. A fool and their money...
 
It's no more cheating than the tone control circuitry built into every single high-end phono preamp/amplifier ever built (RIAA). It never ceases to amaze me that audiophools will turn their noses up at anything other than a volume control on a system, when EQ has been applied both at the cutting and playback of vinyl. Snobbery or just plain ignorance?

It's exploitation of ignorance. Rarely do you hear any talk of room acoustics or layout from this crowd, and when you do, it's always an expen$ive solution. We can't make due with putting that chair in the corner. That's too simple.

I have a big system in a small rectangular room. I bet you already know what equalization I need. Oh no, it's heresy!
 
It's exploitation of ignorance. Rarely do you hear any talk of room acoustics or layout from this crowd, and when you do, it's always an expen$ive solution. We can't make due with putting that chair in the corner. That's too simple.

I have a big system in a small rectangular room. I bet you already know what equalization I need. Oh no, it's heresy!
Precisely - the folly of a £250k-system-in-an-untreated-room ignorance. Not buying £10k on interconnects would buy a lot of room treatment - no snake oil required - improvement assured!
 
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Precisely - the folly of a £250k-system-in-an-untreated-room ignorance. Not buying £10k on interconnects would buy a lot of room treatment - no snake oil required - improvement assured!

I've seen wall hanging sound absorbers with a high WAF.

When I had my apartment in Chicago, I hung a rug on the wall between my apartment and my neighbor's apartment. It was a nice thick Afghan rug, the kind available at furniture stores. I also had a nice thick rug on the floor.

I'd be lying if I said I didn't get any raps on the wall, but it helped with sound transmission and acoustics too. And the rug looked great on the wall. This is stuff you'd buy for the house anyway.
 
Absolutely no excuse for something as poorly designed as this.
You're being too kind. The pic below compares under identical conditions the Monica and a zero feedback 6BL7GTA parafeed line stage I lashed together a few years ago. It was never built since I didn't need one at the time. The output transformer was salvaged from the input of a defunct AM stereo protocol (Kahn) stereo generator. The build used a handful of parts in the range of $30.
 

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RC loading transformers with such a severe peak never sounded good to me. It fixes measurements but the sound suffers. Alternatively, it is a very poor match between transformer parasitics and the output stage output impedance. Whatever the case it is either poor transformer design, or a very bad engineering choice. Absolutely no excuse for a premium product.

Zobels just sound bad also, imo.
 
This is a well known phenomenon. It's not just a matter of "more money than brains." I recently read about a cheap little gadget on flea bay that was selling for like $3.00. After a year, only a few had sold. Then the seller raised the price to $9.00 and sales picked up. Then they raised it to $19.99 and the remainder sold out in a couple of days.

It even works on me sometimes. I used to chuckle at all the phenolic ring tweeters for sale for $3.00 or so. That's so 1970s and it's so cheap!

But some really excellent speakers (like the JBL 4310*) use them. Plus they're now selling for $20.00! I sure wish I had bought 10 for $27.00 or whatever a few years ago, because I already would have used a couple pairs. They're exact replacement for about half the speakers from that era (1970s).

*I wish I would have nabbed a pair of these somewhere along the way. They're really expensive now! One of my high school buddies ponied up for a pair (I don't know how much they were but they had to be at least $500/pair) and I remember how incredible they sounded, even in his small high school bedroom. Remember $500 bought a decent used car in 1975.
Indeed mister Eddie, those phenolic ring tweeters were popular in speakers, and I've ordered them several times from Parts Express for replacements and new builds.
Radio Shack even had their version that I've also used - basically identical - catalog # 40-1270D.
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It's no more cheating than the tone control circuitry built into every single high-end phono preamp/amplifier ever built (RIAA). It never ceases to amaze me that audiophools will turn their noses up at anything other than a volume control on a system, when EQ has been applied both at the cutting and playback of vinyl. Snobbery or just plain ignorance?
I agree!
Tone controls were for the consumer to adjust tone to their liking, since everyone's got preferences, and different rooms, and musical tastes.
Like many audiophile-driven suggestions-rules-mandates-curses, it's all a bunch of BS, no different than forcing control over a population for no reason.
The real ignorant ones are the ones who invent these dumb beliefs.
 
I bought this for $100 when it was a new unproven product.

https://www.parts-express.com/Dayton-Audio-APA150-150W-Power-Amplifier-300-812

It is a well made product with excellent performance and a good deal at its $200+ asking price. It is my opinion that it was twice as good for $100! My only regret is that I didn't buy 2.
Ya know, I had one come in for service some years ago, but under a different branded name.
I think it had some soldering/heat issues and bad caps, but it had plenty of punch.
 
It's no more cheating than the tone control circuitry built into every single high-end phono preamp/amplifier ever built (RIAA). It never ceases to amaze me that audiophools will turn their noses up at anything other than a volume control on a system, when EQ has been applied both at the cutting and playback of vinyl. Snobbery or just plain ignorance?
For the life of me cannot see the logic behind this strong statement. Applying EQ and then reversing it results in no EQ, right?
 
You mean RIAA equalization? Of course it's supposed to result in "no EQ."

There are real physical limitations to what can be put on vinyl. Bass notes make large waves in the grooves. The more bass, the less music you can fit on the vinyl. So it makes perfect sense to cut the bass response when cutting the record, and boosting it on playback.

Boosting the highs when cutting the record and cutting them on playback gives the huge benefit of reducing ticks and pops on vinyl. If you cut the response by 10 dB then you cut the noise 10 dB as well. It makes perfect sense.

But that's why engineers get paid the big bucks. We skip the marketing crapola and go straight to putting on our wizard hats.
 
This is a well known phenomenon. It's not just a matter of "more money than brains." I recently read about a cheap little gadget on flea bay that was selling for like $3.00. After a year, only a few had sold. Then the seller raised the price to $9.00 and sales picked up. Then they raised it to $19.99 and the remainder sold out in a couple of days.

It even works on me sometimes. I used to chuckle at all the phenolic ring tweeters for sale for $3.00 or so. That's so 1970s and it's so cheap!

But some really excellent speakers (like the JBL 4310*) use them. Plus they're now selling for $20.00! I sure wish I had bought 10 for $27.00 or whatever a few years ago, because I already would have used a couple pairs. They're exact replacement for about half the speakers from that era (1970s).

*I wish I would have nabbed a pair of these somewhere along the way. They're really expensive now! One of my high school buddies ponied up for a pair (I don't know how much they were but they had to be at least $500/pair) and I remember how incredible they sounded, even in his small high school bedroom. Remember $500 bought a decent used car in 1975.
I like cone tweeters so much I made a lot for own use.

100 of them since that´s my minimum batch size (there´s a lot of metallurgical work involved, such as stamping the frames, magnet plates, turning the polepieces, spot soldering, zinc plating) , can´t make "just a couple".

Used a 4" closed back frame, so I can either build them as straight 4" cone tweeters for high power PA/MI/DJ use or add a diameter reducing phenolic ring (that´s its purpose) so I can mount a 2" cone or even a 1 3/4" to reach higher for Hi Fi use.
Used a MUCH larger stronger ceramic ring for much increased gap flux, which gives me more extension and very high efficiency (for a cone tweeter that is).

All considered, it was a $$$ investment but very happy with results.
 
Decades ago, you could actually trust those reviews in the various audiophile magazines.
I always enjoyed reading them, before purchasing something.
And the product was 'spot on' the way they described it in the review.
You never heard about someone complaining back then.
Luckily, back then I worked part time in an audio salon, and also had the pleasure of actually using/demonstrating various equipment.
But today's world? - I sensed a 'change' in the flavor of 'online' reviewers after having previous experience of 'the old ways' of advertising and marketing.
I sensed the shallowness, the greed, the obvious fakeness, the bloated discussions - like those $10 words used today.
Gimme a break, please.
I'm not impressed by terms such as "airy-ness" or "soundstage accuracy", or the like.
Talk to me in real terms, feet on the damn ground honesty, not giving me some garbage-talk mumbo-jumbo crap.