Why do several people need to gang up on Vehicle at once? What are you guys so angry about? Is it that you can't stand people talking about audible wire effects? If so, you guys are only half right. People can be fooled, true. Cables can affect sound, is also true. It doesn't have to be all one or the other.
Yet another typical diversion, intended to muddy the waters.
What is under fire here is not the fact that cables can affect sound, but the claimed cause-effect relationship.
You mean whether it is harmonic distortion? Linear distortion?
It probably depends on the particular cable, but linear distortion seems more likely to me. Should be measurable I would expect. Part of it could be related to DA, but that should be measurable.
Old heavily oxidized stranded cable might be a different matter, but it could possibly be excluded as being pathologically broken.
It probably depends on the particular cable, but linear distortion seems more likely to me. Should be measurable I would expect. Part of it could be related to DA, but that should be measurable.
Old heavily oxidized stranded cable might be a different matter, but it could possibly be excluded as being pathologically broken.
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It seems understandable to me that someone could imagine skin effect causing nonlinear distortion. Skin effect as viewed in the time domain depends on the rate of change of current, no? We usually think about it in the frequency domain, so thinking about it in the time domain could get confusing for some. I would agree that so long as a cable is a linear system (let's say, no more than weakly nonlinear and no more than weakly non-time invariant) the either view is valid and an equivalent way of looking at the same thing. If nonlinear distortion doesn't show up in measurements then that mitigates in favor of the linear system model. Maybe some people don't fully understand that, I don't know.
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You left out two things:
- Linear distortions in audio are yet another piece of crapola, perpetrated because it has the desired FUD buzzword rap. Every gain stage approaching it's 3dB bandwidth introduces "linear distortions". Moreover, for any practical system there is always a certain amount of linear distortion. Sweating over this is a waste of time, since there is always a bigger audio fish to fry; the situation is not different from worrying about an 1pS of extra clock jitter in an otherwise mediocre DAC.
- In the time domain, a constant delay (which I hope you would agree is irrelevant for audio purposes, we are not talking about radar systems here) is exactly equivalent to a linear phase in the frequency domain. So providing a linear phase response in any audio appliance, in the frequency range of interest, is enough to ignore the "linear distortions". Coincidentally, a linear phase in modern audio appliances is so easy to get that any amplifier that do not implement this could be catalogued as a pathological implementation. Funny enough, zero global negative feedback, much appreciated in the audiophile circles, are much more prone to provide a non linear phase response in the audio band.
- Linear distortions in audio are yet another piece of crapola, perpetrated because it has the desired FUD buzzword rap. Every gain stage approaching it's 3dB bandwidth introduces "linear distortions". Moreover, for any practical system there is always a certain amount of linear distortion. Sweating over this is a waste of time, since there is always a bigger audio fish to fry; the situation is not different from worrying about an 1pS of extra clock jitter in an otherwise mediocre DAC.
- In the time domain, a constant delay (which I hope you would agree is irrelevant for audio purposes, we are not talking about radar systems here) is exactly equivalent to a linear phase in the frequency domain. So providing a linear phase response in any audio appliance, in the frequency range of interest, is enough to ignore the "linear distortions". Coincidentally, a linear phase in modern audio appliances is so easy to get that any amplifier that do not implement this could be catalogued as a pathological implementation. Funny enough, zero global negative feedback, much appreciated in the audiophile circles, are much more prone to provide a non linear phase response in the audio band.
Why oh why should everything being measurable.
Can you measure why one prefers peanut butter over marmelade.
I once mentioned that my two eyes are seeing different colours although not being colour blind at all, all test are passed without a flaw.
Which of the two I see is correct when I like a colour with one eye and less with the other one.
When you mean to hear a difference and prefer one of the two, what’s wrong with it even if it’s imagination.
Keep it for yourself and be happy with it.
Measuring cable distortion is a waste of time, it’s all about enjoying your music the way you like best.
Hans
Can you measure why one prefers peanut butter over marmelade.
I once mentioned that my two eyes are seeing different colours although not being colour blind at all, all test are passed without a flaw.
Which of the two I see is correct when I like a colour with one eye and less with the other one.
When you mean to hear a difference and prefer one of the two, what’s wrong with it even if it’s imagination.
Keep it for yourself and be happy with it.
Measuring cable distortion is a waste of time, it’s all about enjoying your music the way you like best.
Hans
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You missed the fact that cables properties in audio are a great area to perpetrate FUD and snake oil, both based to the fundamental lack of STEM education among certain audiophile circles members. Reason is, it refers to something material that everybody is using, and can be seen in every audio setup.
Much more effective than talking about negative feedback adverse effects on SQ, negative feedback is ultimately an abstraction. Not that some are not trying, though
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Much more effective than talking about negative feedback adverse effects on SQ, negative feedback is ultimately an abstraction. Not that some are not trying, though
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👍You missed the fact that cables properties in audio are a great area to perpetrate FUD and snake oil, both based to the fundamental lack of STEM education among certain audiophile circles members. Reason is, it refers to something material that everybody is using, and can be seen in every audio setup.
Much more effective than talking about negative feedback adverse effects on SQ, negative feedback is ultimately an abstraction. Not that some are not trying, though
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Hans
We obviously cannot measure why someone prefers peanut butter to marmalade but we can fairly easily measure the differences between the two flavours.
Building a quality FUD story requires some advanced knowledge; look what an obviously knowledgeable individual was able to put together:
FUD example
You may be surprised how many audiophiles would take this tongue-in-cheek story as the absolute truth. Thanks God competent engineers have better things to do that spreading FUD, as shown below.
FUD spreading
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