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  • Lab Gruppen

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Hello! I have a sound system composed of 4 electrovoice eliminator speakers and 2 horn subwoofers. All are phased checking
Speakers go fullrange and subwoofers crossover the problem is that you have to press the reverse buttons on the crossover to sound the bass full. that is, they cancel each other out on normal 0 degrees. It is normal to use the reverse button ? the speakers are in the club at a distance of 3 meters between them
The speakers used in the subwoofers are b & c 101b.
 
Both subwoofers are Fold horn with speaker down amplifier ev q44 top and lab gruppen lab 1000 subwoofer. The basses also cancel each other and everything is respected polarity etc create cx23 crossover. It means that enclosures respond differently in frequencies.
 
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I have played with polarity reverse for decades with my large panels and folded horn most of that time.... right down to last week. Might as well toss a coin as try to predict. (Hint: 48 dB slope which I am greatly liking these days, seems to be happiest with reverse.)

Almost always, each polarity will have some appeal and your ear is a truly lousy way to tell because your ear does not hear fine-grain. REW will immediately show what is going on.

There is no general solution if folded horns are involved. A Klipsch bass is more than 12 feet and it (or two of them) may be funny distances from main speakers.

B.
 
playback of recorded material is one thing but when there's open microphones involved phase reversing a sub can solve loss of bass that comes from the source mic (in this case likely the kick drum mic) and the output of the output of the sub, there's no sin in inverting, use whatever setting gives you the best result.
 
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No, there are a few reasons why phase still might not come together. Between sub and mains you still have three rolloffs in this band, and you have the effects of the room, unless it is less of a room, you might at least have some delay.
 
Speakers go fullrange .
That is a mistake they should be high passed, not doing this widens the frequency overlap between tops and subs where differences in travel time will cause cancellations. The stacked Eliminator cabs are not helping either, that introduces more cancellation nodes.

I'd suggest running the eliminators through the crossover high passed at 80-100hz, and remove one eliminator box in each stack. That should improve things. You also have to check that all low frequency drivers are wired for the same polarity inside each box, there is a simple batttery test that can be used to visually verify positive driver movent. If you are not familiar with this ask and somebody will provide some additional details.