Theoretically, if two different amplifiers have same THD, example 0.5%, can they sound different?
Distortion percentage would likely be higher in lower power useage than at rated specification, and if you're comparing a dominantly 2nd and 3rd order harmonic distortion, with the other amp having dominantly higher order harmonics from 5th and up. Then, yes. One would sound sweet and the other would make you use the stereo less.
Nope. 😉
OK. I might have thought about he stating his own impression (sound or specs). Critique is plenty fo sure.
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Yes, because of the distorsions spectral distribution. Basic + trivial.
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Measurement in audio is meaningless if you do not understand the relationship between measurement and how it sound.
It is difficult to express the sound quality in measurement, specially only one measurement like THD.
Example:
1. THD at audio frequency is below 0.01% and S/N at 1Vrms signal = 80dB
2. THD at audio frequency is below 0.1% and S/N at 1Vrms signal = 100dB
What will you choose without listening? 1 or 2?
If you choose use blind audition, it will same as your choice without listening?
If you choose use blind audition, it will same as your choice without listening?
Hah! That would depend on the distortion characteristics and personal preference of each and every individual in the listening test. Regardless of measurement, the worst amplifier might actually win.
Hah! That would depend on the distortion characteristics and personal preference of each and every individual in the listening test. Regardless of measurement, the worst amplifier might actually win.
Agree.
Objectionist understand how to measure but sometime do not understand the relationship between measurement and how it sound.
Subjectionist only care of the sound difference but sometime do not understand how to measure.
The worst is objectionist think they are scientist 😀
Even if I was, that info is useless to you and the other. And calling out in this case is used to discredit me and hush me up in such a clumsy way.bozoc, I'm just curious, are you in audio business or affiliated with one?
Reminds me of ceratin crackpot communities that called out scientists that did blood pressure medication research scientists for conflict of interest without even looking at the papers.
A simple question for you: If I would claim I can hear the grass growing in my back yard, would you challenge my claim, or take it as yet another data point in subjectively investigating the hearing abilities of humans?
No need to be dense here.
Such a super human hearing ability can be numerically quantified. Then in exact sciences, there are mathematically rigurous methods to eliminate alleged gross errors from a set of data. Such a data point will likely be eliminated; engineers sometimes take the shortcut and, based on experience and general engineering principles discard such data without much of a rigurous analysis.
Arguing for the level of reductionism you propose here is silly and is no substitute for that provided by peer reviewed replicated research.
Evidence not conjectures. And the evidence for your claims is severely lacking! Every time I hear similar reductionist argument like this I cringe.
I don't know if there would be a difference. If I were to guess if there would be any audible differences it would depend on implementation and application.So when a certain member claims, without any evidence, that a 7805 regulator sounds better than a modern low noise high bandwidth LDO, in a certain circuit, me, as an engineer, don't need any further data analysis to reject the claim and call it BS.
Why accuse me of things that you engage yourself in with me?If you (or anybody else) feel an urge to more or less Socratically discuss, dissect, analyze, etc... such claims then myself I can only conclude you have way too much time in your hands (or not, and then you may have an agenda and/or an axe to grind).For any competent scientist/engineer life is too short to take this path, we have to deliver and lip service is not a good deliverable. Except in the High End Audio business, of course.
That's odd. Screenshot of my search tells otherwise.Up to now using the forum search I couldn't find your posts with citations of these tests......
That's odd. Screenshot of my search tells otherwise.
If "cheap" and "dacs" are the magic words, it is apparently as I've said before, it helps if you post the search terms that led to the posts in which you've given the citations for the experimental results you've mentioned.
I'm sure you know that the screeshot excerpt, that you've posted above, doesn't provide any contradictionary evidence itsself, so the "tells otherwise" isn't warranted.
And I did but as I suspected, you continueIt would be much more effective if you'd just tell the members/readers what search terms to use to find the DAC listening tests you were talking about. 😉
Do you also ask the the two questions in bold to those who post their subjective listening results?
No. They are not the ones pushing what appears to be, within the context of audio, a questionable methodology.
No. They are not the ones pushing what appears to be, within the context of audio, a questionable methodology.
Appears to whom??
Does it matter ?
I think you might be just a little out of your depth!
I think you might be just a little out of your depth!
And with that we have reached the quintessential dichotomy. You find depth in something I say has no substance.
And with that we have reached the quintessential dichotomy. You find depth in something I say has no substance.
Sounds impressive!!! What does it mean?
OK , I get it now. I had to deconstruct the pomposity.
So the identity of the people you are using to support your arguement, doesn't matter?
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Sounds impressive!!! What does it mean?
OK , I get it now. I had to deconstruct the pomposity.
So the identity of the people you are using to support your arguement, doesn't matter?
Take it as you will. I don't see this as an argument. As I said I do not see DBX as having any substance where audio is concerned.
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