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They do it all the time when we are listening to reproduced music, and I'm very glad about it too, unless perhaps for those who have excellence perceptive powers, maybe it's actually a shame for them.......
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Of course there is. What about experimenter bias?
What about bias of lay people in forums who don't understand what particular research shows? For example, there are plenty of people who think that no human on earth can hear above 20,000Hz.
That's why it has to be double blind. So the rechercher also doesn't know what's being tested.
This is normal practice.
That is not the fault of the science dudes.
Edit: And an excellent example of why you should listen to the actual science dudes.
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I wasn't referring to the experimenter working with the test subjects. What about the experimenters who designed the experiment? They make mistakes, too. Also, experimenters working with test subjects often figure out what is being tested, pretty hard to fool them. Then, what about p-values, how valid are they as indicators? What is actually proved by an experiment, anything?
Shall we stick to audio.
What about the protocol I described here earlyer do you think has bias in it?
What about the protocol I described here earlyer do you think has bias in it?
I hear 3d localization cues on some recording but a lot less on others. How do you propose to make the localization cues larger?
It was too over-simplified to say. Looks nice with all the troublesome details left out.
EHm,,you're wrong both 😱😡
I don't think that you're talking about pure tones, sines, cosines but the object
of the dispute should be music, simply music.
just knowing it, the brain starts with the 'only music' program, right?
So, what distinguishes a musical 'signal' ( whatever you name it- information-message-stimulus) from a non musical 'signal' ?
Starts from here
someone named PRAT...
ah ah thinking of it, I came to the conclusion that we fool ourseleves often, if not everytime
We can't distinguish more than 5-10 periods of sinusoid, to say...
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This is funny. The fact is you cannot think of all the artefacts, especially the most important one. Only by being able to listen to it you will have a chance to know what it is.
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because grainy sound is a measure of 'quality' and any student of philosophy will be able to tell you that 'quality' like 'beauty' can not be easily defined. See my tag line.
Ah, customers for your audio business. That's what I thought.
You've never been through a double blind test, have you.
Yup, just like the quote below.
Well, you have the chance to be the victim or persecutor, sort cops n robbers
vitually..
I partecipated at a contest where I brought two speakers. I must say that the mesmerizing attention of each member was...significant.
I did not win...
Uh, sorry...lost in transcription
No, no, it means grains in the sound!
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Micro or macro - Macro I guess is the one that Johnego refers to 😕
Grains like hiss, stocastical but not depending from the program played. I mean, a system error . very subtle , probably could be called noise carpet, but granular
It was a speculation on someone who wrote "Only if you get positive result. And you don't get positive result in an instant." about double blind test. If a he has been through a proper double blind test, he wouldn't have posted such nonsense. Either that or he was making stuff up.
No need to make stuff up yourself, just tell the truth and say you don't understand why he would say that.
Most of the members at the contest were DIY enthusiasts. That explains that near state-of-trance for the whole matinèe. It was 2011. Never experienced later 😎
I did ear the delta modulation in the class D amplifier or was it just me?
I mean, it was presented as a class D and I was biased for that
But i did hear clearly the modulation, very peculiar, similar to phase effect for guitar & others
...go figure: the winner of the contest was a tube preamp!
Speculation isn't about making stuff up. It's speculating. But a post like "Like everybody being in the audio business?" is.
Words often have more than one possible interpretations. A rhetorical question for example looks like asking for answer but it's not. The deeper your thoughts, the more potential your words being misinterpreted because people tend to see the most basic interpretation only. If your words were 'basic' then you misunderstood Mark's response to Scott (yes, he must have talked about you). If your words (and actions) are 'basic' then it is obvious that you have poor judgement skill. You thought people don't have sharp sense to detect if someone is in the audio business while actually your sense is dull. That's if your words are 'basic'. But I don't do speculations.