It's not that I have an issue with that in particular, rather I'm trying to illustrate what I think is a common theme among those railing against the environmental "catastrophes" and insisting that urgent action is required. It seems the urgent actions they seek always impact someone else. The celebrity proponents flit from venue to venue via private jets while insisting we all abandon private vehicles, or electrify our vehicles or whatever. Then they return to their 17 room oceanside mansions with manicured grounds whilst they tut, tut, tut about meat eating commoners polluting up the planet. The theme is holier than thou hypocrisy. If you really think the most important goal for humanity is to reduce the population then put down your "Population Control Now" sign and swallow the black pill. Actions are much more tangible than slogans!
Oh dear. You keep repeating this CO2 and temperature not linked stuff which I've tried to explain IIRC 5 times is not correct. I've come to the conclusion you do not understand it or you done want to understand it so not point in discussing it.
Precisely what it is you expect to discuss in 4 years is a mystery to me. Are you going to go out and get a PHD in Earth Sciences or something in the interim? Seriously
Point taken. Some people do have extreme views, I'm sure many vegans feel a large degree of guilt and it can be a powerful motivator both for them personally and in their proselytizing.
From the very narrow point of view of crop production, he's right ( up to a point ). A very slight amount of cooling would be an immediate disaster for the northern hemisphere.
I wound up doing something else professionally, so don't follow this topic much, but I would expect that if the numbers in your post #555 are reasonably accurate, your latitude is already enjoying a longer growing season and increased crop output. If that hasn't happened, then something would seem to be amiss.
The Farmer's Almanac says North America is in for a brutally cold, wet, winter this year. I hope it kills all the ticks, etc.
Not my field of expertise unfortunately, so in comparison to which year/range would you expect a difference?
In Germany it is mixed due to very big regional differences and a lot of weather anomalies (it is my impression that farmers associations complain about the weather in every single year, though 🙂 ), 2017 too much rain, 2018 too hot and quite severe drought, 2019 still very hot and again not much rain (very different across the country).
So crop yield per hektar is quite volatile.
In general I'd think EU data would be better, but I've to do some search....
The Farmer's Almanac says North America is in for a brutally cold, wet, winter this year. I hope it kills all the ticks, etc.[/QUOTE]
What explain? You surmised.
More repeat by you.
Does the subject of discussion in 4 years concern you that much?
North and west USA are in for a cold winter, east of the Mississippi it is slush and rain. Same for most of the south.
2019–2020 Winter Forecast | The Old Farmer’s Almanac
2019–2020 Winter Forecast | The Old Farmer’s Almanac
I'm right at the junction of pleasant, mild with soakers, and snowy, icy, icky. so I guess all bets are off. Pretty much the norm around here.
Not much more to discuss. Again, good old fashioned TODD.
I’ve heard some of these folks - either quite shameful or totally deluded (eg Delingpole - typical).
'Sceptics' Hall of Shame | Campaign against Climate Change
note:
However complex a system is, chances are that if it has «grown» large and more complex as time passes, it is not the effect of chance and chances are a simple external pertubation will not throw it out of control. Take the human body for instance. it is not the result of ONLY chance. It is self regulated. If you drink a glass of alcool, you are not going to transform into a monster, unless you are predisposed to that.
So i would «assume» that there is some self regulation in the earth ecosystem, but to a limit, of course, just as you can die from poisoning.
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You really should read up on Chaos Theory. Sometimes gut feelings and what seems obvious isn't ;-)
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Education and work who mimic the nature is the solution today and in the future
Gabe Brown: Keys To Building a Healthy Soil
Gabe Brown: Keys To Building a Healthy Soil
Lots of talk about a 'climate science' conspiracy that would entail 10's of thousands of climate scientist across the world working in concert to create a climate change story. Hardly likely.
The only conspiracy I see are ones like this (and there are plenty of others as well covering companies and individuals - eg Rupert Murdoch, Exxon, Shell, Caltex, BHP-Billiton, Rio Tinto to name a few)
Greenpeace USA | Koch Foundations Funding to Climate Science Denial Front Groups, 1986-2017 - Google Sheets
The whole climate science denial thing is built on classic propaganda tactics: 'lobby, discredit, obfuscate, deflect' repeat
The only conspiracy I see are ones like this (and there are plenty of others as well covering companies and individuals - eg Rupert Murdoch, Exxon, Shell, Caltex, BHP-Billiton, Rio Tinto to name a few)
Greenpeace USA | Koch Foundations Funding to Climate Science Denial Front Groups, 1986-2017 - Google Sheets
The whole climate science denial thing is built on classic propaganda tactics: 'lobby, discredit, obfuscate, deflect' repeat
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You are right that it is possible that some people would try to sweep under the carpet some realities. Of course the petroleum industry comes to mind. Up until the GAFA era, they were the most profitable industries on earth. But often the primary economic sector of ressources explotation in very profitable because everybody needs it. So it is kind of «nevralgic» to politics. But here is maybe not the place to talk about it, especially given the very interesting subject of the present thread (i don't want it closed like the finger scanning thread 😀 )
Then there are also some people that are clearly very smart and have this to say about climate change
Climate change and the 75% problem | Bill Gates
Climate change and the 75% problem | Bill Gates
Yeah - it always amazes me how completely counterintuitive nature is in many things. Who would have thought 200 years ago that time was 'elastic' and could be stretched or compressed depending on velocity or the presence of a local gravitational field.
Bonsai, I want to express my appreciation to your valuable contributions full of common sense, all the information you mention is aimed at becoming aware of a serious problem, but that is precisely what fools lack.
There are opinions here that make one think, "and well, they are kidding, I'm back"
The lung of the world is burned and most of the comments here seem to ignore the coming drama, insisting with statistics and more statistics that were already totally outdated and lost with this environmental disaster.
There are opinions here that make one think, "and well, they are kidding, I'm back"
The lung of the world is burned and most of the comments here seem to ignore the coming drama, insisting with statistics and more statistics that were already totally outdated and lost with this environmental disaster.
Some of the fools I mentioned will reason that Windows operating systems are not perfect and fail too much, that will reach them to calm down.
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