Yes, and there is quite a range of variability over time and labels, ie formulation variations and same with vinyl.
I believe everyone until I see the smoke coming from my upper orifi when I look in the mirror.
Scottw......good point!
Scottw......good point!
Although I still think having not understand this "in toto" overall it seems to be clear; and I agree without doing an observational study it's probably an open question.
It's a mixed feeling; I appreciate knowledge and good discussions (based on diverging point of views) but don't like complaints about (allegeded) misbehavior of others in a discussion while using everything the playbook of eristics has to offer, and the nerve to fall in silence when asked for evidence that obviously is not there.
That's interesting, the falling silent could be construed as passive aggressive, as could asking for evidence that obviously is not there. Jeez, it's everywhere when you start looking 😀
Jackob: We sadly cannot get back to the way things were discussed in the usenet days, or the clarity of a discussion round a table over beers. DIYAudios greatest strength (light moderation) is also its greatest weakness. It does require a lot of self control in some cases. You are relatively unflappable, others less so. Makes for some discussions becoming 'interesting'.
I also note that people with a more academic background are more used to robust debating over very small points and some may come across as belligerent and argumentative to those who have not had the pleasure. Pidgeons* and PhDs can look similar from a distance 🙂 . Not all but we have a few who post here.
*It's a valid spelling and my muscle memory is programmed for it.
I also note that people with a more academic background are more used to robust debating over very small points and some may come across as belligerent and argumentative to those who have not had the pleasure. Pidgeons* and PhDs can look similar from a distance 🙂 . Not all but we have a few who post here.
*It's a valid spelling and my muscle memory is programmed for it.
Hi Bill, Jacob,
Many of us really miss Stuart. Yes, the forum has suffered from his departure. I really hope some day he does return.
-Chris
Many of us really miss Stuart. Yes, the forum has suffered from his departure. I really hope some day he does return.
-Chris
Advice from the one who posts for his audio business... hmm, what could possibly be the motive.
So you complain about the complaints. 🙄
Thin coats of boiled linseed oil oxidise within a few days. Shellac dries up within minutes and is solid within 24 hours - elementary wood finishing. The various concoctions made up and tested have never satisfactorily explained the ability of the early Cremona violins to project sound all the way to the back of an orchestral hall.
It is the wood that matters. After most of the tall spruce trees were cut down to make ship masts, the foresters made their way up into the Carpathian Mountains to log spruce from the last virgin stands in Europe. Getting the logs down to the rivers was done in the winter time, by building vast water chutes coated with ice. The luthiers from Cremona would stand in the valley beside a chute, and listen to the sound of logs hurtling down the mountain. Every now and then, a particular frozen log would ring out with a bell like tone, and it was these logs that were chosen for their sonic properties to make violins.
A really good violin weighs just a few ounces.
tapestryofsound
In an air conditioned environment, night and day difference lose a lot of meaning to the the blind. 😉
Yes. During his last few months here he seemed to be getting increasingly frustrated with some of the nonsense being repeated over and over again. There are times when I have been tempted to follow him.billshurv said:
Me too. But I fully understood his decision to retire from this place. Not far away from the reasons for my own almost 9 years retirement. BTW, not much has changed, except for some of the nonsense perpetrators.
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Yes, you entirely right....it is incredibly difficult to become a master luthier. Most violins are made in workshops by teams of individuals specialising in one particular aspect of construction. Some are good at varnishing, or carving backplates, or maybe have an affinity for working with ebony. As there are around 4500 recognisable steps in the construction of a violin, it takes a very long time to become a master luthier. Yes, the quality of tone woods does matter, but even the most highly skilled luthier can make a beautiful violin that in comparison to the best of the best, sounds like a dog. And they become seconds - still highly sort after, but not quite as good as the real thing. Even then, a violin has to played continuously for anything up to a hundred years, before they really sing out. There is nothing wrong with new violins, they just sound new.
This is a lot more fun than talking about speaker cables. 🙄
tapestryofsound
One of my lecturers at uni was trying to study what made a great violin. He used to sit there sanding away at bits of wood. ISTR his conclusion was that, for 99% of violinists carbon fibre was the future as you could guarantee a good sound, but not necessarily a great one. But an awful lot less hit and miss than wood bodied models.
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