Maybe, just chuckle, nod, smile to yourself, and then stop thinking about it
music history is to be appreciated and I don’t think wanting to hear it in the best way possible is disrespecting that at all.....even the older recordings have notable differences one to another.
I really don’t know why people get wadded up about it......now there does seem to be some types of music that might benefit from a low res experience.
Punk music maybe fits the bill?
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You know that's not true. cylinders are hard to reproduce which is why flat discs appeared. My point is that the music matters more than the quality to them. A sublime performance with less good recording trumps a superb recording of a meh performance. Except amongst an odd group of audiophiles. If you cannot be moved by a 1930s acoustic recording then you are missing out.
But I agree a violinist will focus on the string section. But in itself that might be a useful skill for the music lover as well.
You are the one who stated that you couldn't be moved by music off youtube! Wanting and needing are two different things. You seem to be saying you 'need'.
Bill I think my quest for explanation of a certain type of emotional experience in a high fidelity setting has somehow morphed into it being the only way one can enjoy the emotion in a musical piece......that is totally wrong in my case anyway and probably most others.
You misunderstand.......I said the YT recordings can not produce the certain emotional response I’ve been referencing.....not any/all emotion.
I suppose maybe I get too carried away in details? But then detail reveals things otherwise unrecognized......kindly a double edge sword.
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Hmmm... read this carefully:
Musicians, especially senior ones, play music by 'feel'. This is a fine detail, subtle differences in sound (that can easily be changed during reproduction). They don't care with 'overall' performance. See Mark Knoppler's A Night In London where he spoke about 'feel', 'fingering', how he used wrong key in the recording of "Why Worry" as if they don't play 'by memory'.
In my system, i know when a cello player is amateurish from the sound of his finger/hand vibrato. It is not just a technique, but a 'feel' of how the resulting vibrato sound connects with the music. When you change the 'timbre' of this, of course, musicians will be very sensitive to perceive the difference.
It's true. But FoobarABX also gives me insights of the nature of what i perceive during sighted listening.
At least your position isn't as completely incomprehensible to me as this:
OK, well lets take a couple of steps back. Can you name a recording (or two) that gives you this response and what the response is? We might be able to get into the right city block, if not ballpark then
At least?
As in positive qualifier in a negative conversation?
I’m not the one making mountains from molehills here, but if playing along makes more people understand my ‘position’ than so be it.
Of course the music performance is the art & is the end product that is important & brings joy but just like in other art, people can appreciate the overall painting & the structure of the painting, the application of the paint, the line of the drawing, etc There are many layers to appreciating any piece of art, (visual, auditory, sensory) - not just one 'correct' way
That's so very true, but i think the audio system must be 'proper' to allow us to see/know that. Many audiophile systems are 'dialed in' to show beauties in certain recordings and missed the bigger points.
Yes, I found his post very negative, he referenced you, but I don't think your view is that negative?
OK, well lets take a couple of steps back. Can you name a recording (or two) that gives you this response and what the response is? We might be able to get into the right city block, if not ballpark then
The only thing that is recording dependent seems it just needs to be of a good quality and uncompressed. Red book +
As it’s been explained, it’s an emotional state/response to the system itself, there’s a sweet spot in playback that seems to be quite narrow in scope.....I’m just trying to figure out what it is. It’s not just detail related and it’s not really a consciously heard thing but a visceral/emotional/physical response.
Negative? No not at all.
Frustrating? ......yes!
. It’s hard to make a point of something when you really don’t know what it is
Right - I was just trying to understand what might be blocking your music teacher friend from hearing what you clearly hear?
Can you give a bit of detail here, please? What insights have you found?
I thought it wasn't related to handling arguments but to the reproduction quality itself; forums communciation is difficult sometimes.
I'd not disagree with the notion about musicians often more interested in performance than in sound quality of the reproduction.
But I think there is no need to condemn people who are thinking differently about it, especially as often "great performance" lies in the eye of the beholder.
But otherwise I agree, but still a "great musical performance" of otherwise mediocre quality is usually more moving if reproduced by a really good system instead of the kitchen radio (can be moving too, though . But less so)
It belongs to you, it is whatever you think it is, why go down that road, that way madness lies, just read some of the recent postsIt’s hard to make a point of something when you really don’t know what it is
This is strongly individual. My friend is a member of the Czech Philharmonic orchestra and he is also a big fan of high quality sound reproduction and he is a DIYer as well! He is able to find subtle problems in sound reproduction. So please let's not oversimplify again and let's not generalize.
Similarly, I do not understand how someone dares to say that someone else does not care about sound quality, details etc. based only on a fact that not everyone has a need to describe personal feelings on perception in a public forum. Without knowing the person, I find it extremely impolite and rude.
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