As someone who used to race cars and motorcycles I fully understand that analogy!
Wow.....
I had no idea there were so many bias and effects and labels and......
Is there a bias to bias?
Wow.....
I had no idea there were so many bias and effects and labels and......
Is there a bias to bias?
There are these miraculous days where track, car and oneself are one, and, without effort, everything goes to the limit in harmony, in a form of silence and inner peace.As someone who used to race cars and motorcycles I fully understand that analogy!
It's the days when it's groove, for the musicians.
Is it not for these moments of orgasmic miraculous happiness that we do what we do?
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Yes Sir!
I can remember vividly the races where that happens (they were far and few between) and unless experienced it would be hard to fathom.
What I’ve been going on about with this whole sound/music emotion thing is exactly like that....entering a ‘zone’ which otherwise doesn’t exist except for the perfect blending of conditions.
And just as on the track these conditions are not accidental and require time and effort to be put in before it can be realized.
Edit....I suppose my main goal is to better understand the conditions that lead to that in audio, it’s a ‘feel’ of the music that I think you’ve mentioned several times?
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Hmmmm... Marginal stability issue, most likely. I can't imagine those huge heat sinks can't cool a 200W amp at whatever class AB bias.
Can't help with the Ancient Greek, but I am a fair speaker of classic latin (yes, there were times when Latin language was a mandatory high school study topic). Today, all I can say is to paraphrase:
Quo usque tandem abutere, Tournesolus, patientia nostra? Quam diu etiam furor iste tuus nos eludet? Quem ad finem sese effrenata iactabit audacia?
Meanwhile back in Kansas.............
Greetings to John, Richard and Mark..................I was banned for a while, years ago. I supposed I posted too many cartoons,
I would particularity like to thank John Curl, Stan Warren and not to forget Nelson Pass who have been my mentors over the years.
I recently met Richard and he was kind enough to introduce me to Mark. I would have to say you have a good set of experts/friends here.
A lot of members seem to have a hard time understanding John, but then a lot of members seem to rely on measurement as their only criteria for judging equipment so if John makes a statement that does not jive with common beliefs, he gets attacked.
I have spent many hours discussing circuit designs, with John and we generally agree in most things. The key here is that audio is a part science and part an art form, and as Nelson Pass would put it "We are in the entertainment business". John has paid his dues many times over ( He invented the self bias complementary differential pair for example) and I am honored to know him, as I am the above mentioned people.
Not to diminish the importance of measurement there are aspects of sound reproduction that have not been identified so a meaningful measurement standard can be derived. We discover new things every day but unfortunately sometimes forget what we have learned.
The question to be answered is "Would you sacrifice musicality for a distortion and linearity specification ?" ........ or maybe the question should be asked the other way round.
Jam
Greetings to John, Richard and Mark..................I was banned for a while, years ago. I supposed I posted too many cartoons
,I would particularity like to thank John Curl, Stan Warren and not to forget Nelson Pass who have been my mentors over the years.
I recently met Richard and he was kind enough to introduce me to Mark. I would have to say you have a good set of experts/friends here.
A lot of members seem to have a hard time understanding John, but then a lot of members seem to rely on measurement as their only criteria for judging equipment so if John makes a statement that does not jive with common beliefs, he gets attacked.
I have spent many hours discussing circuit designs, with John and we generally agree in most things. The key here is that audio is a part science and part an art form, and as Nelson Pass would put it "We are in the entertainment business". John has paid his dues many times over ( He invented the self bias complementary differential pair for example) and I am honored to know him, as I am the above mentioned people.
Not to diminish the importance of measurement there are aspects of sound reproduction that have not been identified so a meaningful measurement standard can be derived. We discover new things every day but unfortunately sometimes forget what we have learned.
The question to be answered is "Would you sacrifice musicality for a distortion and linearity specification ?" ........ or maybe the question should be asked the other way round.
Jam
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Exactly who built the first AES playback curve circuit for the announcement article in Audio Engineering Magazine, Jan 1951? and what kind of inductors (core material) did they use for the constant impedance networks networks shown in figure 3 (last page)? Was this built at some RCA lab at first?
Article scans,
Article scans,
Attachments
The question to be answered is "Would you sacrifice musicality for distortion and linearity specifications ?" ........ or maybe the question should be asked the other way round.
Jam
Hey Jam,
I’m new here but your reputation precedes you!
Fully agree with the greatness that is in this forum, and JC was right up on front lines helping with an issue I have with a Hint.
I have no EE training or even much Electronic experience, I have been here trying to figure out and put a label on my system preferences as to make them more easily repeatable and also maybe improve on those aspects (once identified)
In your opinion what is it technically that gets one to this emotional ‘zone’ in audio reproduction that’s being discussed ?
Thanks, Jam, for *all* your words. Thanks too to the mountainman. They are rare, the days when one feels a little less alone.
And pretty mysterious, too, the way we recognize our friends. ;-)
A fraternal thought to J.C also, often unjustly attacked. Thank you for your unwavering passion.
The love we put in our work, whatever it is, goes through measuring instruments.
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Lemme put a qualifier to that: I'm pretty sure there's also a lot of us who are in agreement with John, but who don't think it's worth our while to make a lot of noise about not much. Just sayin'.
Please believe me when I say not all of us EE types are bad.
Are you able to measure phase to confirm your suspicions?
There are handy links/shortcuts in the first post. He has done a lot of work correlating measurements to impressions
So far it’s just FR (calibrated mic) at LP and the rest is calculation from known parameters,
calculating phase isn’t quite as easy as seems.....I keep saying I need to buy measuring equipment but find it hard to justify the cost. Would help if I knew what it was I was looking for....hence why I’m here.
I’ll look closer at it and maybe take notes while re reading it......is he still active on here?
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Bob,
To me the first question I ask myself is "how long can I listen to this system before I begin to loose interest and want to do something else.....(to be continued)
Zung,
If you pick up some of the nuggets John happens to drop........some of the best audio designers are not EE's......
To me the first question I ask myself is "how long can I listen to this system before I begin to loose interest and want to do something else.....(to be continued)
Zung,
If you pick up some of the nuggets John happens to drop........some of the best audio designers are not EE's......
To what end? You think it's dead on that's all that matters surely, or just idle curiosity, like here, where you didn't respond to my reply?
If it’s ‘right’ I can’t leave until it hurts to sit anymore!
If it’s not ‘right’ (like after a change) i plug away at it until it is again.....I’ve mentioned a couple times now it seems as though phase is the deciding factor but I don’t have any way to confirm it except by ear.
There's a good few high end companies that might disagree with that! Time will tell I guess.
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