diyiggy, I think in many cases you are saying almost exactly what I was trying to say
- Don’t put a glass roof on ND
-museums are different than cathedrals.
-ND in some ways is still used in the same way as originally so no changes necessary.
-one wants to imagine one is back in the time of the builders in ND. We are modern people so it isn’t really possible to do this, but ND is so spectacular it is still somewhat possible
But I did want to put in a good word for the possibilities of current architecture in the city also.
Certainly true that a lot of buildings don’t have people clamoring to restore them, but if by incorporating modern design into an old ruin, it is made usable in today’s world then I see nothing wrong with that. Of course ruins are cool too.
- Don’t put a glass roof on ND
-museums are different than cathedrals.
-ND in some ways is still used in the same way as originally so no changes necessary.
-one wants to imagine one is back in the time of the builders in ND. We are modern people so it isn’t really possible to do this, but ND is so spectacular it is still somewhat possible
But I did want to put in a good word for the possibilities of current architecture in the city also.
Certainly true that a lot of buildings don’t have people clamoring to restore them, but if by incorporating modern design into an old ruin, it is made usable in today’s world then I see nothing wrong with that. Of course ruins are cool too.
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If restoration is too costly, people can take a trip to Nashville, Tennessee USA. Nashville > Parks and Recreation > Parthenon
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I enjoy the St Andrew's Society Dinner, and a friend was the bearer of the holy haggis at the Waldorf Astoria event years ago. The Scots put us Irish to shame when it comes to imbibement of distilled spirits.
Ahh but that is not the way to look at those guys! It's not about 'knowing' anything, it's about vision and ambition.
But I see I am fighting a losing battle here. Ohh well, we'll see how it comes out in a decade or so.
Jan
I can't let that statement go unchallenged! Is this merely a stereotypical view or can you actually provide supporting evidence?
I'll submit the fact that the Irish put more emphasis on achieving the right distillate whereas the Scots put more emphasis on the master blender’s skills.
Drink responsibly and sláinte mhaith, slàinte mhath or simply good health to all!
Except for the timeline. It says, "Originally built for Tennessee's 1897 Centennial Exposition", 4 years before Walt Disney was born.
And sometimes... "Art gets shoved up the *brown eye* of the artist"
I see your point on the "Vision" part, Jan. And I do agree that it should be remade completely as a monument.
I would just like to use the same types of materials, only in a completely new way.
A strong bond existed between France and Walt Disney.
Walt saw France for the first time in 1918. He was one year short of the minimum age required to enlist, but he forged his passport and volunteered as an ambulance porter with the Red Cross in order to participate in the effort of World War I. He disembarked at the Havre, was first assigned near Saint-Cyr-l’École, and then transferred to Paris as an ambulance driver.
Walt would return to France in 1949, when he took a transatlantic cruise with his wife and two daughters (pictured here outside Notre Dame).
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But his Cinderella Castle at Disney Land was primarily modeled after Neuschwanstein Castle in Bavaria (Germany). 😎
It's not a fight, nore a battle, it's about taking a good enough decision not to waste the whole. And you need to know to take the good one for a proper decision. I believe ambition was and still is here. If you talk about vision then you should not just talk about style but have a global approach, environment for instance. Iron is modeener than iron but is it good for the green ambition World should have ... we can't forgett for instance it's on UNESCO imaterial worldwide heritage. While I'm agree that only time can say about the sucess of such transformation, you can see everyone is seing just his own vision...like yah let's put some modern design for instance, or mine, change at minima...both are limited imho. More questions should be asked when you involve the word vision or ambition if you want the sentence not empty of sense and just rethoric. A good one is to add some old (sorry) concepts as ethic...and yes (sorry again) knowledge of hystory, context. Here as this is a technical forum, posters definitly just believe ND and cathedral are a construct and a manifest of modernity. This 'vision' is of course limited, one has to visit such buildings to understand it s not about technologie or an ovation to it. Here you have also to think...larger.🙂, one of the vision should perhaps ads time concept... something more consistant in time both durability and time proof design. Ambitious, yes of course indeed.
For me ruins are not so a cool thing. I wish Delph was still standing for instance. While I'd love to see Balbek temple in Syria iirc, those romans were clever with stone, you can see stone blocks weighting 800 to 1100 tons...wow! Some Maya construction have also enormous stones with complex shappings and perfect integration between eachothers. It was clear they want to involve huginess in antic times. Here sota technic were involved to transport and lift such super structure...just incredible as all the precision of the kheops pyramid. Those guys were clever and skiled and certainly were inventing sometimes in real time to solve some not planned problems.
Disney drew heavily upon all forms of European design, as well as literature, graphic art and music, to create his new art form.
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Re the whole Disneyland / Vegas aesthetic as a major component of the visual appeal of a commercial venture, I frankly have nothing against that per se. Some of the edifices erected in the pursuit of profit have been quite well executed in their own way - for example the Bellagio Hotel Fountains on the strip are really quite charming - but when you zoom the camera back for a wider view of the types of street commerce & life with which touristing families are pummelled, your perspective changes.
Last March we ticked off one of my bucket list items, and made driving trip touring the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon*, Zion National Park, and the Grand Escalante Staircase. Each on their own way quite stunning and humbling. On our layover in Vegas the afternoon before our mid day return flight to Vancouver, we strolled the few blocks to the main strip, including past the empty parking lot that was the site of that notorious Country Music concert the previous August.
Among other things, Vegas is a bit of a dog’s breakfast of individually interesting architectural exercises crammed together, but what most struck me most was the juxtaposition of brown robed pseudo Buddhist monks and studded leather bikini clad stripper / bondage dominatrixes handing out promotional tickets for their respective forms of worship/commerce, all on the sidewalk in front of the quite spectacular Bellagio Fountain.
But I digress. ND is certainly not the only relic of medieval or even earlier times that wasn’t built in a single lifetime, and as the SOTA of construction technologies, as well as the aesthetics and purpose of building of such scale may evolve over the centuries, we shouldn’t be surprised to find aspects that “don’t seem to fit, exactly”.
Jan, as I probably noted before, there certainly is something quite intriguing about the range of scale and styles of Signor Calatrava’s proposed and constructed projects. I found his design for the St Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church at World Trade Center to be a marvellous statement of restraint when compared to say, any of the airports or Dubai extravaganzas.
* if I had to recommend only one stop in that particular area of the southwest, it’d definitely be Bryce. No, wait, Antelope or similar slot canyons, no, wait ....
Even the grandest of humankind’s works pale into insignificance in the context of such scale and time.
Last March we ticked off one of my bucket list items, and made driving trip touring the Grand Canyon, Bryce Canyon*, Zion National Park, and the Grand Escalante Staircase. Each on their own way quite stunning and humbling. On our layover in Vegas the afternoon before our mid day return flight to Vancouver, we strolled the few blocks to the main strip, including past the empty parking lot that was the site of that notorious Country Music concert the previous August.
Among other things, Vegas is a bit of a dog’s breakfast of individually interesting architectural exercises crammed together, but what most struck me most was the juxtaposition of brown robed pseudo Buddhist monks and studded leather bikini clad stripper / bondage dominatrixes handing out promotional tickets for their respective forms of worship/commerce, all on the sidewalk in front of the quite spectacular Bellagio Fountain.
But I digress. ND is certainly not the only relic of medieval or even earlier times that wasn’t built in a single lifetime, and as the SOTA of construction technologies, as well as the aesthetics and purpose of building of such scale may evolve over the centuries, we shouldn’t be surprised to find aspects that “don’t seem to fit, exactly”.
Jan, as I probably noted before, there certainly is something quite intriguing about the range of scale and styles of Signor Calatrava’s proposed and constructed projects. I found his design for the St Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church at World Trade Center to be a marvellous statement of restraint when compared to say, any of the airports or Dubai extravaganzas.
* if I had to recommend only one stop in that particular area of the southwest, it’d definitely be Bryce. No, wait, Antelope or similar slot canyons, no, wait ....
Even the grandest of humankind’s works pale into insignificance in the context of such scale and time.
OK, as a tribute to nowdays art and crafts, let's rebuild Notre Dame area as a Disney world with materials from e-bay, Alibaba, to provide all the merchandizing businesses. 🙄
The competition has already started, many were already on the starting blocks.
The competition has already started, many were already on the starting blocks.