I think that we over worry about age and hearing. It is reality that we had better ears when we were young, BUT they were not well trained enough to be as discerning as we tend to get over years of listening to music. I could say the same thing about my taste buds, but I certainly consumed wine in my college days that I would not drink today, BLAH! It is often the same with musical fidelity. As most of us can afford it, we can invest in something more than commercial broadcast or MP-3 and we find it worthwhile, just like most of us can afford a moderate cost bottle of wine, without drinking the dregs, and find that also worthwhile. Yet, IF we were winemakers, we might find that it is a great challenge to make good wines, that it can be fairly costly to produce, can only be produced in certain ways, etc, and in the end a relatively expensive purchase for the consumer.
It is the the same with audio.
Some here can be content with the GALO (American wine) equivalent in wine, which is usually a serious step above the worst wine, yet others want to strive to imbibe the very best (to their taste buds) and are willing to invest in the extra cash and perhaps personal investment to get the best.
In audio, some people will buy a $100 dollar CD player and be pretty darn happy with the overall sound, and perhaps listen a significant percentage of their time through it. Yet others, even after years of similar exposure, get more interested in listening to the very best sources, you know ($30-$100 vinyl records) or 24-96K or better digital with $5K amps and $3K digital playback, etc. Usually you don't waste this sort of investment on a 16 year old. They can live with the cheap stuff, EVEN IF their ears measure better at that age. They just have not developed enough experience to know any better, unless directly exposed to better audio quality.
What I have just stated, started out as a simple comments, but I find that I have to structure my words so that I will not be as easily attacked, as if I just said it quickly and plainly. This is really a drag on communication, but somebody out there will now bring up double blind listening tests for both wine and audio, 'proving' that we are all wasting our time, including commenting here. Oh well! '-)
It is the the same with audio.
Some here can be content with the GALO (American wine) equivalent in wine, which is usually a serious step above the worst wine, yet others want to strive to imbibe the very best (to their taste buds) and are willing to invest in the extra cash and perhaps personal investment to get the best.
In audio, some people will buy a $100 dollar CD player and be pretty darn happy with the overall sound, and perhaps listen a significant percentage of their time through it. Yet others, even after years of similar exposure, get more interested in listening to the very best sources, you know ($30-$100 vinyl records) or 24-96K or better digital with $5K amps and $3K digital playback, etc. Usually you don't waste this sort of investment on a 16 year old. They can live with the cheap stuff, EVEN IF their ears measure better at that age. They just have not developed enough experience to know any better, unless directly exposed to better audio quality.
What I have just stated, started out as a simple comments, but I find that I have to structure my words so that I will not be as easily attacked, as if I just said it quickly and plainly. This is really a drag on communication, but somebody out there will now bring up double blind listening tests for both wine and audio, 'proving' that we are all wasting our time, including commenting here. Oh well! '-)
It is like the "NEZ" (creators of perfumes) or "sommeliers".
If you ask them, they will explain-you that they dont have a better "nose" (or taste) than average people, some of the most famous of them are smokers.
Culture: Your son in a crowd.
If you ask them, they will explain-you that they dont have a better "nose" (or taste) than average people, some of the most famous of them are smokers.
Culture: Your son in a crowd.
Yes, agree with JohnC - there's a mistaken over-emphasis on degeneration of HF acuity in ageing while at the same time overlooking the more important aspect of timing acuity & the role it plays in listening to & appreciating music. Although there is/can be some degeneration in this area too, it is a brain function (auditory processing) rather than a loss/damage to cilia in the inner ear
I'm 56 and can still hear to 17K.
I have friends in their 60s and 709s, musicians and opera singers that can also hear up to this yet.
I have friends in their 60s and 709s, musicians and opera singers that can also hear up to this yet.
I can do 16khz for sure. The problem is my computer won’t go past that! It just starts clicking.
You're welcome to try and see if you can caress it enough to make it go farther.
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Audiologist find that people never exposed to loud sounds, like the New Guinea tribespeople keep their hearing sensitivity even when very old.
It is modern life with too many noise sources causing much of the losses people here are noticing.
It is modern life with too many noise sources causing much of the losses people here are noticing.
Modern life also gives too many distractions, and the loss of attention is maybe even worse. Learning to focus attention takes a lifetime.
All good fortune,
Chris
You've made a good faith effort to ascertain this? I expect left in the New Guinea outback with nothing but a knife and thong you would not be making any new audio designs soon.
Hhmmm. I ordered a nice low distortion measurement mic and received this instead----> maybe they just though I would like it better;
Galaxy Audio CM-3C. A condenser mic with 3 interchangeable capsules.
<1% at 135 dB SPL. Should be good enough.
-Richard
Galaxy Audio CM-3C. A condenser mic with 3 interchangeable capsules.
<1% at 135 dB SPL. Should be good enough.
-Richard
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